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We REALLY need to stop supporting this company.

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Also not everyone can be a manager as there are not sufficient managerial positions to go round, so it's not going to work as a career improvement option for everyone, even it can work for some though hard work (such as JMac, and all credit to him). The general concept is, though, that a rising tide should float all boats and improve conditions, on average, for all, which has been the case for about the last 150 years.

Actually, no. Incomes for most Americans have barely budged since the '70s. That's 0.47% growth since the '60s for middle-income households. And as you can see, the rich have gotten a whole lot richer.

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The American middle class has been disappearing at a rate in direct proportion to the decline of American unions. The growth of US unions brought us what we think of as the middle class, where a man (or woman) could go out and do a weeks work and support his (her) family in comfortable surroundings. Unions brought us an end to child labor, and gave us the 5 day work week, and paid holidays.

Contrast that with a college grad working at a (fill in the blank) franchise 5 or 6 days a week, and not able to afford his own decent apartment, live comfortably, afford health care, and play reasonable bass gear. Our purchasing power has steadily declined since the mid 1970's, when inflation is calculated in.

Something has to change. I will not support any franchise who abuses and underpays its employees. Wake up, America!

Hear, hear! :thumbsup:

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Look dude, you can't just say "the bay area" and expect everybody to know what bay area you are talking about. If you would have said the San Francisco bay area the first time, I wouldn't have asked you what bay area you were talking about in the first place. No reason to get snarky when it's your lack of communications skills that stands in the way of reason. It shouldn't be like pulling teeth to get you to clearly inform me of the specific location you are referring to.

You can't honestly think I meant you can live off of $10 and hour in a place that has a minimum wage of more that $10 an hour. My original claim was wrong and I've already made it pretty clear that I understand why it was wrong. I should have said, "where I live" instead of assuming everybody's cost of living and minimum wage are the same as mine.

The person I originally replied to maid the claim that people who work at GC make $10 an hour. Obviously, places with minimum wage of higher than that could not possibly be in the realm of either of our thoughts since there are no GCs paying less than minimum wage. Because of that, I think it's unlikely that you misunderstood the intent of my statement and more likely that you want to be snarky for the sake of being snarky.
Snarky is calling for clarification as if it is important to the discussion. If you google Bay Area it's pretty clear there is a likely candidate for what I am discussing. But for the sake of argument, even if I was talking about the Tampa/St. Pete's region or some other place the fact remains that I put forth cost of living data that would make the point regardless of whether or not you can actually locate the place I'm referring to on a map. Beyond that, minimum wage in San Francisco doesn't help anyone else in the region and in particular doesn't help most GC employees in the region And even further, rent is higher still in San Francisco proper than the regional average so whether you're talking 10/2200 or 15/2500 the fact still remains that a whole months work before taxes doesn't cover rent - the point of which is that your snarky calculator comment is divorced from economic reality.

The main point though is that it sucks to work for GC even more today than it did yesterday.
 
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Hey they're adults if they are told about it & agree to terms and sign on anyways !and don't care.., then why should I ! I wouldn't accept those terms !
 
Next time I go shopping whether clothes, furniture, food etc, I'll ask around first how much workers get paid.
I visit my local GC often, I get treated well and I often find what I'm looking for, if ever there is an issue, I'm always able to resolve it (within 30 days) this works for me.
I can't dictate how much a GC employee should be making, are times rough? Sure, but times have always been rough for me.
I don't mean to take this to another topic, I think it's relevant to the discussion...
I migrated to this country back in the 60's and even then, minimum wage was not enough to make ends meet for a family of four. For many years I remember my father working two jobs, even my mom had to go out and work as well just for us to have a roof over our heads and a couple of beat up pieces of furniture and some food. This lifestyle became an" incentive" for my dad to move up to a better position/job with better wages.
Perhaps the wages back then don't equate to today's but then again, I don't think a kid goes to work at GC for eight hours a day with the idea to start or support a family.
 
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Don't worry. You won't have to shun GC, it's going away all by itself. The fine folks at Bain Capital have about sucked out every bit of money they could, and soon they'll be picking at the corpse.

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"...the symbol of everything dysfunctional about American corporate finance, management, and retail in the modern age."
I've been reading this on here for a good 5-6 years now.
 
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All of you who boycott local guitar centers are only hurting your community (unless you have other local options)

Support local businesses because it helps the employees and your town/city/state.

The employees are the only ones who can make this situation get better or go away.

This is economics 101, people.

This is incorrect. Big box stores remove ALL profits from the locale. Pay the lowest wages you can get away with, get the employees you deserve and bank the cash. It's a business plan.
 
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This is incorrect. Big box stores remove ALL profits from the locale. Pay the lowest wages you can get away with, get the employees you deserve and bank the cash. It's a business plan.
You are failing to consider the rent, utilities, taxes and payroll. He stipulated that if a local option is there, then better to take that. Internet sales drain the local economy more than GC does; that was his point.
 
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I've been reading this on here for a good 5-6 years now.

Yeah, me too. But I think Garland's got it right--GC has finally run out of financial tricks. The timeline in the article is pretty damning. And this: "Thus, the new CEO has been chosen based on a cold-blooded ability to shuffle the books for private equity financiers, not for his ability to lead a musical instrument organization into a disruptive future."
 
In a country that is truelly free, it is impossible to sign away your rights and the government is obligated to prosecute all rights violations. Rights are not individual. They are collective. If one person's rights are successfully violated then everyone's rights are weakened and at risk.
 
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Snarky is calling for clarification as if it is important to the discussion. If you google Bay Area it's pretty clear there is a likely candidate for what I am discussing. But for the sake of argument, even if I was talking about the Tampa/St. Pete's region or some other place the fact remains that I put forth cost of living data that would make the point regardless of whether or not you can actually locate the place I'm referring to on a map. Beyond that, minimum wage in San Francisco doesn't help anyone else in the region and in particular doesn't help most GC employees in the region And even further, rent is higher still in San Francisco proper than the regional average so whether you're talking 10/2200 or 15/2500 the fact still remains that a whole months work before taxes doesn't cover rent - the point of which is that your snarky calculator comment is divorced from economic reality.

The main point though is that it sucks to work for GC even more today than it did yesterday.
If it wasn't important to the discussion then why bring it up? Why would I trust what you post on the internet? I like to look things up for myself.

Either way, you have completely ignored the points I brought up the last time I responded to you, and the fact that I've admitted I was technically wrong and should have said something about cost of living, our something along those lines, has completely escaped your mind. You either don't know how arguing works or you dodged my points on purpose. You must be a politician.

My calculator comment makes perfect sense if you include common knowledge (people who work at any guitar center get at least minimum wage) and context into your thought process. You cherry picked my comment and yanked it out of context.

I've pretty much made my point, but I'm sure you will ignore those points and continue to attack my original comment, which I have previously amended. (also ignored buy you).
 
In a country that is truelly free, it is impossible to sign away your rights and the government is obligated to prosecute all rights violations. Rights are not individual. They are collective. If one person's rights are successfully violated then everyone's rights are weakened and at risk.
That is a catch-22 situation. If you're not free to sign away your rights, then that is a freedom lost.
 
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