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Well, maybe because new music suxx

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OK, Old Guy Confidential:

I only have two problems with Today's Music:

I'm generally put off by the modern digital recording process when it is (often) overused. I've got good enough ears to hear perfectly stacked vocal harmonies that have zero waver or vibrato or any of the slight differences you'd hear in three or four part harmony. I'm REALLY put out by time that's been squared up in nanoseconds where the groove never breathes. So much of what I hear is polishing less-than-capable performances with the precision of a computer-driven 5-axis lathe that often just isn't musical to me. I often think of artists who could not really be captured fully in recordings, and yet now it seems there are lots of artists who live in their recordings and can't deliver live . . . without LOTS of help.

On the other hand, done right (with an ear to approximating a first-rate analog/tape mix) it can be wonderful. But I rarely hear that kind of digital recording.

Secondly, in my day, the combination of radio, broadcast, and the record companies offered reliable sources to find and hear new music. Now radio is demolished into broad ownership by just a few companies, record companies (good and bad) are gone, and knowing where to find the new good stuff by depending on my smartphone or combing the internet is very difficult for me. Strangely enough I usually find new things in places like TalkBass or other online stops I routinely visit where this or that artist or band is mentioned, and I backtrack to see who that is.

Whether 'we did it better' or 'this new stuff sucks' is all just pointless. Time and tastes change as the generations of people do, and I'd no more expect a 20 year old to understand the 60's any more than I can understand the 2020's.

This is as it should be.
 
That's how we roll here at TalkBass.:roflmao:

I like a lot of different music, new and old.
But I think the music you liked in your teenage years and early 20's is what sticks with you forever.

agreed. Because it was the time in my life when it was all new and exciting and it meant everything to me.

now I have a whole host of other things I have to do before I get to play/listen/think about music.

That said I still hear new music I like today… I think… I mean mostly it's in the soundtracks to films my kids are watching but still…
 
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I think the music you liked in your teenage years and early 20's is what sticks with you forever.

Only if you let it. The music I was listening to in my teens and early 20s seems so prosaic and boring now. I try every year or so to reengage with some of it, but precious little of it stands up. Meanwhile there is all kinds of amazing music being made from 2012 or so until present, everything from indie stuff to the best pop music since the 80s to boundary pushing stuff to (personal favorite) a cottage industry of young guns reimagining Grateful Dead classics.

I'm 34 and the day I stop seeking new music is the day I'm old. Not there yet, hope never to lose the curiosity to see what folks are up to currently. My 65 year old dad spends 95% of his music listening hearing the same stuff he's been listening to since he graduated high school. Plenty of good stuff to be sure, but he's missed out on so much to listen to Wishbone Ash or whatever for the 100000x time.
 
Copying something their elders did in the 1980s hardly qualifies as "original", I think.

Anyone remember the old John Lee Hooker song "Twist Ain't Nothing but the Old Time Shimmy (like my Grandma did)"?

Nah, I thought not.
"Inspired by" isn't necessarily copying. And my goodness, every bigtime musician from the hallowed '60s and '70s was inspired by music that came before.
 
old man yells at cloud

As @Jazz Ad said, there's incredible innovation happening in music right now, you just have to dig a little harder to find it, not least of all because there's so much of it! File sharing, streaming, easily accessible recording equipment/software, and affordable high-quality instruments have allowed anyone with a few ideas to get their music out into the world, and not all of it is good or interesting, but a lot of it is. Music, like most culture, is iterative - everything builds on everything that came before it. The idea that guys in the sixties and seventies were blazing bold new trails through uncharted waters and now everyone is just taking old ideas and reworking them, which was never done in the past, is pretty asinine.

There's also something beautiful about complaining about how nobody is original anymore and then, in the same sentence, making jokes about man buns and avocado toast, but that's not really within the scope of this thread.
 
I'm 34 and the day I stop seeking new music is the day I'm old. Not there yet, hope never to lose the curiosity to see what folks are up to currently. My 65 year old dad spends 95% of his music listening hearing the same stuff he's been listening to since he graduated high school. Plenty of good stuff to be sure, but he's missed out on so much to listen to Wishbone Ash or whatever for the 100000x time.

I'm with you on the curiosity about new music.

But I'm also with your dad. The music he and I grew up with has aged well... and it's not just the music but the memories it invokes that makes us listen to the same stuff over and over.
 
I'm having as much fun discovering new music today as I did back in the '80s and '90s. I just have to dig a little deeper. I'm loving how folks are mixing jazz with funk and hip hop, how they're taking sounds from the '70s and '80s and mixing them with modern music, and all of the different niches to explore. I mean, if you asked me twenty years ago if I would develop a taste for ambient punk music, I'd have laughed at you. Now, I'm a big fan of Godspeed You! Black Emporer and Do, Make, Say, Think.

St. Vincent, the Parcels, Big Thief, Scary Pockets/Scary Goldings, Vulfpeck, Kelly Lee Owens, Brownout, King Gizzard, and The Soft Pink Truth, are all as good as anything I heard in my childhood. I'm 52, and I hope to keep this curiosity going until the day I die.
 
I've heard some cool stuff in the last 20 years but it's something I have to stop and search out because the remaining record companies want to tell me what's cool not let me decide. I miss old school MTV and early 90s buzzcuts. I mostly listen to older stuff but I think it's because the overpolished overproduced top 40 stuff is what the companies push in new movies and commercials. Agendas suck too. Music for the sake of music or philosophy is the best. I have my own hang UPS with generation vs generation but music, no music is just a medium of communication that I love and prefer and don't think sucks. It's just not made today like it used to be.
 
I understand the "new music suxx" feeling - I think a lot of it does, particularly in terms of what gets into mainstream media. As was mentioned earlier, there are several culprits in this, including radio (and all media really) being a near monopoly owned by a small handful of corporations (a problem that goes beyond music, but we won't get into that :)). Also the nature of recording itself, where, as Rick Beato has pointed out, much of it is substantially now a matter of someone alone at home futzing around on a computer, often with no real instruments even being played. The record (or CD) industry as it used to exist is basically gone, so everything is more diffuse, and more driven by social media. And so on.

The upside is there's diversity and freedom in not having things controlled by the record industry - even though it can be harder to FIND music that's appealing, it's out there. Around here, we're fortunate to have a radio station that actually plays some good new, "mainstream adjacent"music. One such band I heard there just recently is "Japanese Breakfast", who've been around for a while but have edged into some mainstream play with their latest album, which has a couple Grammy nominations for whatever that's worth ("Oh, it's just a Grammy," to quote Homer Simpson). Also made it "Jimmy Fallon Big" (the name of one of their earlier tunes :)) with promotional appearances on the late night shows. "Paprika":

 
Unfortunaly, young people don't buy much music anymore. Older people go toward older music.

They dont "buy"...but they do listen!...and the music my kids (and their friends) are listening to is older music because they think most of todays popular music suxx (thats teenagers saying this)...Now, Im going to not sound like a Boomer here (Im actually Gen X) and I have defended a lot of newer popular music way into the 10s (Bruno Mars, 30 Seconds To Mars, Panic! At The Disco, Saint Motel, etc) as being good quality and listenable....but even I have noticed a decline in quality and increase in disposability in the past 6 years or so where I cant even defend it anymore...My kids discovered music on their own without my help or influence. My oldest is mostly into 00s Emo bands like My Chemical Romance but she also likes Blue Oyster Cult (still, a headscratcher how she got into them and even wears BOC T-shirts to school), ELO, Depeche Mode (her new love), Marilyn Manson and a lot of 80s New Wave (lately she is into Missing Persons but also like Gary Numan, OMD, Cause and Effect, and a few others)...She tells me that her high school is divided: The trendy kids like the new disposable music - the non-trendy/do-their-own-thing kids like older music. She says 80s hair metal is big among her peers even though she herself doesnt really care for it anymore......I find it all interesting, and fascinating
 
There are 10,000 more bands/artists/writers/performers today than there were when I was in high school.
There are 10,000 more avenues to hear/see music of your choosing.

Maybe I'm older than last week's sushi but music is infinitely better today than it was in the 70s and 80s. You just have the option of not hearing music you don't like. That's the driver and that is the difference.

And you all are welcome to get on my lawn. What the heck is a lawn good for anyway if you can't step on it?

That's an understandable view point coming from someone lucky enough to live in Austin. Here in the cultural backwaters the live music scene (in local bars anyway) is 90+% 70s, 80s covers.......sorry for veering off topic like that.
 
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As for the idea that the biggest hits today are often overproduced and under-inspired, that's pretty much the way it's been since at least the late '70s in my opinion. I was basically done with FM rock radio by the end of that decade, and I was in high school at the time. Getting my ears pounded with the same cheesy stuff wasn't my idea of fun. Thank goodness for punk and underground music in general. There's a lot going on under that top level today, and the '80s gave me lots of practice at looking beyond the big hits to find the good stuff.
 
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There's all kinds of great new music. Jazz is alive. Folk traditions and instrumental music are alive. The recording industry made it easy for people to judge the music of a generation, by curating it for us. Today, I think if you want to discover great music, you might have to look for it yourself, maybe even go hear it played live.

But in general, I think sweeping changes in music technology and distribution make it hard to compare one generation of music to the next.
 
The gist of this article is "there is a lot of great new music out there, but the music industry is not nurturing and highlighting it". Personally, I agree. That being said, there is a difference between "great" and "mind-blowing". A kid who knows how to listen will quickly understand there is more value in listening to the classics that revolutionized music as an art form, than listening to today's "great" albeit with no particular wow factor.

Musicians are biased because we're less picky and wowed more easily, but the reality is that there just isn't that much truly revolutionary new music that redefines genres or creates new ones worth listening to.

Just my 2c.
 
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