Yes. Mower. If you had read the thread, i was never for it. It was majority rule. Hate all you want but i chose to keep my guys happy and possibly have a great show and enjoy the perks. Might not be your thing.
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Well, we did it!! (pay to play content)
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W2G, HOB in San Diego is a big deal. Some of these guys act like it's the same thing as P2P Brick by Brick or 710. A notch on the belt is a notch on the belt and I am sure only good things can come from having the HOB San Diego on your bands resume.
I assume some of the take is going to pay the headliner band, maybe 400 bucks. Do they feel good about making their money this way?
Not that Brick by Brick or 710 is not a big deal also, but Brick by Brick and 710 are not Downtown or as big a venue as the HOB San Diego.
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Not hating on you man. It didn't cost you guys any money, you're just playing for free. Since you guys are new again it should get you some good exposure in your area. If you had paid out of pocket I might raise an eyebrow.
May be nail down another gig right away, and push it at the HOB gig to help keep the high promotion flowing without a glitch?
Good luck and have fun bass bro.
Good luck and have fun bass bro.
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For the record I did get to hang with Willy Tibbons after the show. Cool guy, and just as eccentric as you'd imagine. Unfortunately Hank and Rusty weren't around.
Too friggin' cool man. They used to come out and play in this cave we have around here when I was a kid. I watched them a bunch of times. Willie let me be in charge of handing him guitars once. Very cool. I also went to a local guitar store and bought a POS guitar for Dr. Hook to smash on stage once. I'm guessing 9-10 year old kids with hair down to their ass hanging out at rock concerts was a pretty rare novelty back then.
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When we played with them the guitar tech would have a different outfit on every time he brought a new guitar out. Apparently the guy's been with them for like 20 years, so they like to make him part of the show. They played the Ryman not long after that (with BB Smoke
)and sent us like 30 tickets unsolicited. Real class act.When we played with them the guitar tech would have a different outfit on every time he brought a new guitar out. Apparently the guy's been with them for like 20 years, so they like to make him part of the show. They played the Ryman not long after that (with BB Smoke
Nice. It's been years but I remember them being really cool guys too.
You should be happy that you've managed to sell 100 tickets to an upcoming show you have (though don't necessarily expect 100 people to turn up). You should also be happy that there's a lot of promotion around the gig, and that there are a number of people making an active attempt at getting people along to the gig. You sound like you appreciate both of these things, and that's great.
What you shouldn't be happy about, which has already been mentioned, is that you effectively just did $1500 worth of work for the promoters, just to play this gig AT ALL. Granted, you aren't paying anything to play, but that's only because you were able to sell 100 tickets. If you couldn't do that you'd need to pay, so your gratitude is effectively determined by your indepenent ability to pull a crowd. If you can do that, why the heck are you hooking up with a bunch of guys who force you to do unncessary marketing work?
The pay-to-play schemes are a scam regardless of whether or not you can comply with their demands. If you can't pull the "required" crowd, you have to pay money to play to that small crowd. In your case, that would've been $750 you'd pay to play to 50 people (for example), that you apparently could have pulled without their "promotion". I'll repeat that: You play to 50 people, you pay $750, and the "promoters" do nothing to help you get that crowd. I wouldn't be happy about that if it were me.
The "prestige" of the venues, bands, and promoters associated with these schemes is all bullcrap, used to trick people unto risking their own finances just to play a gig. The "prestige" isn't pulling your crowd, not really. That's why you're selling tickets, and not them. The "prestige" also isn't writing your material, rehearsing your band, or organising anything else that's getting you guys together on the night. You can either build your musical career on your own respect or someone elses, but the respect of others will never really earn you anything, no matter how close you are to it.
What you shouldn't be happy about, which has already been mentioned, is that you effectively just did $1500 worth of work for the promoters, just to play this gig AT ALL. Granted, you aren't paying anything to play, but that's only because you were able to sell 100 tickets. If you couldn't do that you'd need to pay, so your gratitude is effectively determined by your indepenent ability to pull a crowd. If you can do that, why the heck are you hooking up with a bunch of guys who force you to do unncessary marketing work?
The pay-to-play schemes are a scam regardless of whether or not you can comply with their demands. If you can't pull the "required" crowd, you have to pay money to play to that small crowd. In your case, that would've been $750 you'd pay to play to 50 people (for example), that you apparently could have pulled without their "promotion". I'll repeat that: You play to 50 people, you pay $750, and the "promoters" do nothing to help you get that crowd. I wouldn't be happy about that if it were me.
The "prestige" of the venues, bands, and promoters associated with these schemes is all bullcrap, used to trick people unto risking their own finances just to play a gig. The "prestige" isn't pulling your crowd, not really. That's why you're selling tickets, and not them. The "prestige" also isn't writing your material, rehearsing your band, or organising anything else that's getting you guys together on the night. You can either build your musical career on your own respect or someone elses, but the respect of others will never really earn you anything, no matter how close you are to it.
I am.
I guess we had 100 people that actually wanted to see the show at $15 a head. we haven't "paid" anything.
Hey, if it works for you, I'm not knocking it. And if it's for a fun one-off gig then it really made sense for you.
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