I actually forgot about the possibility of matching 2x10s. That could solve all my problems...
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What 2nd cab should I get?
- Thread starter Call Saul
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Do you see yourself lugging 2 410 (even 2 210) cabs to the majority of your gigs? If not, don’t buy a piece of equipment that will sit most of the time. You have a great can now that can handle tons of watts.
The upgraded amp that can push more watts at 8ohms is your best bet. The SVT 7 Pro will sound better than your current amp too.
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I personally do not. You should not concern yourself about matching cabs to your amp. Look for the best SPL rating for the most sound. I'm sure that I'm saying something wrong here, but someone will chime in I'm sure.
What's your budget?
I'm not sure where you're from, but I've used the Fender Rumble 210 cabs and they sound really nice, and can handle that amp for sure.
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/de...2x10-inch-700-watt-bass-cabinet-silver-grille
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I do (2) 2x10AV cabs and a pf500 all the time. the "skinny stack". Sounds great, easy to carry and gets loud. just doesn't have that pants rattling low end.
“Second cab, same as the first!”
(Second verse same as the first.)
Without going into crazy explanations about how wattage would be split between your 2 cabs, and a smaller cab could possibly get blown in the process without your overall volume increasing, and how some cabs are more efficient than others (not to mention speaker cone phase issues when... mixing drivers!!!!) - the very general rule is it’s best to get a second identical cab.
This places the cab higher up closer to your ears so you can hear it better, and both cabs getting equal power will now how equal output and equal power handling capabilities.
That said, if you want a smaller cab because the 410 is too much to lug around, consider that a different rig not to be used with your 410.
If you do want to use a smaller cab with your 410, and you don’t care about all the issues, then the best way is to get a separate power amp. If you get a 2 channel (stereo) power amp, you can adjust the levels for each cab. That way you can push either cab as hard as you want without affecting the other.
Or look in to getting 2 smaller cabs - say 1x15. Then use both at bigger gigs or just the single 15 at smaller gigs.
Your options are endless - but if you want to still use your current 410 cab, the very best idea would be to get a second identical one. (make sure they are both 8 ohm cabs!!)
If you really really really insist on pairing a smaller cab with your 410, then get a 16 ohm cab. They don’t really make 16 ohm cabs, but a 4 ohm cab with 2 speakers can usually be rewired as 16 ohms, or you can replace the speaker(s) that come in the cab to equal a 16 ohm load. (look up parallel vs series wiring for speakers)
(Second verse same as the first.)
Without going into crazy explanations about how wattage would be split between your 2 cabs, and a smaller cab could possibly get blown in the process without your overall volume increasing, and how some cabs are more efficient than others (not to mention speaker cone phase issues when... mixing drivers!!!!) - the very general rule is it’s best to get a second identical cab.
This places the cab higher up closer to your ears so you can hear it better, and both cabs getting equal power will now how equal output and equal power handling capabilities.
That said, if you want a smaller cab because the 410 is too much to lug around, consider that a different rig not to be used with your 410.
If you do want to use a smaller cab with your 410, and you don’t care about all the issues, then the best way is to get a separate power amp. If you get a 2 channel (stereo) power amp, you can adjust the levels for each cab. That way you can push either cab as hard as you want without affecting the other.
Or look in to getting 2 smaller cabs - say 1x15. Then use both at bigger gigs or just the single 15 at smaller gigs.
Your options are endless - but if you want to still use your current 410 cab, the very best idea would be to get a second identical one. (make sure they are both 8 ohm cabs!!)
If you really really really insist on pairing a smaller cab with your 410, then get a 16 ohm cab. They don’t really make 16 ohm cabs, but a 4 ohm cab with 2 speakers can usually be rewired as 16 ohms, or you can replace the speaker(s) that come in the cab to equal a 16 ohm load. (look up parallel vs series wiring for speakers)
Although I agree, identical cab is best for volume and safety, you can work with something else.
You could do a single eminence deltalite neo 12 8 ohm in a good cab. It's capable of handling the 800w power just fine split with your existing cab, or 400w 8 ohm on its own. It's also super efficient so it will have similar benefits to your existing cab (pretty efficient) and won't end up being a time suck versus running only one cab.
That is the worst dance though.... if the 2nd cab is noticeably less efficient (read: less loud), adding it will actually make your system no louder but harder to carry around, or worst case actually quieter.
You could do a single eminence deltalite neo 12 8 ohm in a good cab. It's capable of handling the 800w power just fine split with your existing cab, or 400w 8 ohm on its own. It's also super efficient so it will have similar benefits to your existing cab (pretty efficient) and won't end up being a time suck versus running only one cab.
That is the worst dance though.... if the 2nd cab is noticeably less efficient (read: less loud), adding it will actually make your system no louder but harder to carry around, or worst case actually quieter.
You are stepping down in output going to a pair of 210AVs. I don't think that's what you're looking for based on your OP. Why not a pair of PF210s? If you sold the existing 410 and put your second 410 money into it, you'd break even and have more flexibility/portability than now, and be able to stack them for a bit more height.
True, and I like that you can mount the PF500 onto one of the cabs for transport. This sounds like a good route honestly. Will 2 closed cabs sound considerably different than the 410 ported cab?
I haven't A/B'd them to know, I just couldn't see going to two AV cabs from a portaflex 410 if you were just thinking about adding a second cab to it.
You could add a 2x10 but it would have to be 16Ω to mesh properly with your 8Ω 4x10. How it would sound is another question.
Two PF 112's make a great little portable rig . Get's surprisingly loud .
I doubt the limiting factor here is juice. This is an EQ then more speaker issue, inn that order most likely.
Both cabs have had new drivers installed. Both cabs are tuned for these drivers. GK list all eight of these speakers as direct replacement for these cabs specifically. Both cabs are now rated at 800 watts each. The amp is capable of putting 560 watts into each cab.
If you are turning up that loud your too f’n loud.
But this is an example of how it should be done.
It’s fun to.
scottfeldstein
Roots and fifths and a little extra.
Like some others, I have the ability to mix cabs with relative impunity. My Carvin BX1500 has two separate amps built into it. They each put out: 300w @ 8 Ohms...400w @ 4 Ohms... 750w @ 2 Ohms. In addition to this the two amps can be bridged together for 900w @ 8 Ohms and 1500w @ 4 Ohms.
As a practical matter it means I don't have to match cabs if i don't want to. I can put a 410 on the first amp and a 112 on the other amp - if I had some fool reason to. Maybe even better is that I could run three or four 8 Ohm 112s off one amp. Flexibility is nice. One day I'll experiment with it
As a practical matter it means I don't have to match cabs if i don't want to. I can put a 410 on the first amp and a 112 on the other amp - if I had some fool reason to. Maybe even better is that I could run three or four 8 Ohm 112s off one amp. Flexibility is nice. One day I'll experiment with it
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Thanks again everyone for all the helpful info and suggestions. I am most likely going to go ahead swap my 410 cab for a pair of 210s. It will be nice to take on cab along for smaller venues and take both when I need the extra volume. I will give an update whenever I make a purchase!
