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What cab? 4 Ohm, >= 500 watts, ~<30 lbs, cheap

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callofcthulhu said:
What's out there that meets these requirements? I've got a GB Shuttle 12 that's looking for its partner - ultra loud and ultra light.

Form factor is not a concern, as long as it's lightweight.

Not too concerned about voicing given the versatility of the GB, but my wheelhouse is decidedly old school - I play a grindy overdriven Rick and make use of fuzz and wah, so if there's tweeters they need to be defeatable.

Needs to be heard over a loud drummer with no PA support.

Audiokinesis Hathor series is what I'm considering right now, but I'm a bit skittish on the price. Would love to find something under $500.

My main gigs are playing loud, heavy, scary music through an SVT into one or two 412s. This is for my backup rig, suitable for smaller mellower sidejobs I'm getting calls for, and for playing generator shows where we carry gear a half mile from the nearest road.
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Check out the Schroeder 12PL. It ticks all your boxes.
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Loud drummer+no pa+30lbs? Not happening. The closest I could get you would be Schroeder 15 L. I have one. It's the right weight, the right price (used) but it's not gonna handle a really loud gig. I nearly smoked mine with my MB500. If a cab such as your request existed we'd all be using them. Your low weight spec means one driver, as already said. It's just not realistic.
 
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Just picked this up. speakerhardware.com has kits. Chris Cole 212. loaded with Beyma's. 4ohms, 800watts.
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Markbass NY604 - 600watts @8ohms. If you can find one used since they don't make them anymore.

IMPEDANCE
8 ohms
SPEAKER SIZE
4x6 in.
BASS PORTS
rear
TWEETER
1" compression driver with custom horn
POWER HANDLING
600W RMS (AES Standard)
CROSSOVER FREQUENCY
3.5 kHz
FREQUENCY RESPONSE
45 Hz to 18 kHz
SENSITIVITY
100 dB SPL
WEIGHT
33lbs / 15 kg
WIDTH
17.09 in. / 434 mm
HEIGHT
17.09 in. / 434 mm
DEPTH
16.85 in. / 428 mm
 
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callofcthulhu said:
The amp I'll be using delivers 600 watts into 4 ohms, 300 watts into 8. That's one louder innit?

Not interested in a second cabinet as the stated goal here is minimalism - gigs where stacks would be visually inappropriate and/or logistically undesirable.

The head is also 2 ohm stable, so the option is still there if one cab really isn't enough.


$500 and under, as stated in the OP. I don't mind hunting/waiting for the right used cab either.
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Increasing speaker surface area is how you get more volume. Appreciation in wattage to your speaker(s) only gets you a modest increase of loudness.
 
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callofcthulhu said:
The amp I'll be using delivers 600 watts into 4 ohms, 300 watts into 8. That's one louder innit?

Not interested in a second cabinet as the stated goal here is minimalism - gigs where stacks would be visually inappropriate and/or logistically undesirable.

The head is also 2 ohm stable, so the option is still there if one cab really isn't enough.


$500 and under, as stated in the OP. I don't mind hunting/waiting for the right used cab either.
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300 watts @ 8 ohm vs. 600 watts at 4 ohms - the 600-watts at 4 ohms will give you 3db more volume than the 300-watts at 8 ohms. Technically that is measurably twice as loud, but the human ear doesn't hear twice as loud until you get a 10db increase. To get a 10db increase (sounds twice as loud) as the 300-watt at 8 ohms, you would need to feed it 3,000-watts (10 times as much power) and that's presuming everything works perfectly and your cab could handle it. In this case, I'd say go with the 8 ohm cab and give yourself some flexibility to add another cab down the road if your needs/wishes change.
 
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Pbassmanca said:
Yes to my knowledge, RMS is the main driver, tweeter separate.
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The tweeters are not 100-200 watts, no way, no how. They may be rated to work with speaker SYSTEMS rated at 100-200 watts. This is a common misconception with tweeter marketing in general.

Have you considered a used (Genz Benz) NeoX or Uber 212, both 4 ohm cabinets, a little heavier than your goal but meats the low and loud part. You should be able to find one in your price range as well.

I think you will have a hard (read as impossible) time finding any single driver speaker in the 500 watt (real, "RMS" or continuous average power) range for that kind of money. Even without a limit they are pretty darn rare. Be sure you understand how the ratings are made. Your amp is rated at 600 watts RMS per output channel, be sure that your speaker is rated for around 500 watts (or more) using the same "RMS" rating.

Note that "program power rating" of a speaker is typically defined numerically as 2x the RMS power, and peak power is 2x the program power or 4x the RMS power of the speaker. With amps, peak power rating has a different meaning, which is typically 2x the RMS rating of the amp. Your amp is rated at 600 watts per channel (RMS) and ~1200 watts per channel (peak). Be sure you understand how these units relate. I generally recommend a maximum of about 1.5x the RMS rating of the amp, and IMO between .75x and 1x the RMS rating is generally safer.
 
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Rip Van Dan said:
300 watts @ 8 ohm vs. 600 watts at 4 ohms - the 600-watts at 4 ohms will give you 3db more volume than the 300-watts at 8 ohms. Technically that is measurably twice as loud, but the human ear doesn't hear twice as loud until you get a 10db increase. To get a 10db increase (sounds twice as loud) as the 300-watt at 8 ohms, you would need to feed it 3,000-watts (10 times as much power) and that's presuming everything works perfectly and your cab could handle it. In this case, I'd say go with the 8 ohm cab and give yourself some flexibility to add another cab down the road if your needs/wishes change.
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His amp has 2 power amplifiers, each capable of 600 watts/channel RMS into 4 ohms. He already has the necessary flexibility.
 
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GreyBeard said:
Peavey is making a couple of bass heads you might be interested in. The smaller one is 500 watts into 4 ohms and is $350, the other bigger one is 1,000 watts into 4 ohms and $600.

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Thanks, already have the amp, just looking for a cab to go with it.
InhumanResource said:
Increasing speaker surface area is how you get more volume. Appreciation in wattage to your speaker(s) only gets you a modest increase of loudness.
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Sure, but I'll worry about if I need "more" volume once I've gotten the "most" volume I can from a single cab.
 
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David Jayne said:
Loud drummer+no pa+30lbs? Not happening. The closest I could get you would be Schroeder 15 L. I have one. It's the right weight, the right price (used) but it's not gonna handle a really loud gig. I nearly smoked mine with my MB500. If a cab such as your request existed we'd all be using them. Your low weight spec means one driver, as already said. It's just not realistic.
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Can you describe in more detail the conditions that resulted in a "nearly smoked" cabinet, and how exactly it performed under those conditions? Were you running with gain and volume dimed? Was it farting out, still not loud enough, or both? Did any components of the cab need to be replaced or repaired?
 

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