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What do You Like for a Home Recording Workstation

Tried computers for years. Always had latency and software issues. That’s the world where one OS upgrade can ruin everything. I went back to the best 2005 had to offer and bought a used Roland VS2400.. Never been happier. Recorder and used TV with a VGA input all under $350

JB

I would be really interested in learning more about the Roland. I've worked on and around PCs for the better part of 25 years and don't really trust them if I'm being honest. I'm liking Reaper better but even then if I hear a note where I'm playing off or rushing or something like that I keep wondering if it's really me or if the software was doing something.

(I say that because that's what Studio One was doing to me. I would record something, it would be terrible with my playing sometimes ahead but mostly way behind. A few times I did a quick recording of the exact same track into the Windows video recorder and it would be fine. So it wasn't my playing. It was something the software was doing.)

So I like the idea of a dedicated unit, especially one with a good reputation. But I'm curious how you get files out of it. It looks like it comes with a read/write CD. Does it also have the ability to render a WAV file to a memory stick or something like that? If it can do that it might just be perfect for me.

Thanks,,

Ben
 
I would be really interested in learning more about the Roland. I've worked on and around PCs for the better part of 25 years and don't really trust them if I'm being honest. I'm liking Reaper better but even then if I hear a note where I'm playing off or rushing or something like that I keep wondering if it's really me or if the software was doing something.

(I say that because that's what Studio One was doing to me. I would record something, it would be terrible with my playing sometimes ahead but mostly way behind. A few times I did a quick recording of the exact same track into the Windows video recorder and it would be fine. So it wasn't my playing. It was something the software was doing.)

So I like the idea of a dedicated unit, especially one with a good reputation. But I'm curious how you get files out of it. It looks like it comes with a read/write CD. Does it also have the ability to render a WAV file to a memory stick or something like that? If it can do that it might just be perfect for me.

Thanks,,

Ben
You would need one of the later models with USB to get file transfer the easy way. I mainly bought it to record drums on 8 channels without upgrading to expensive interfaces and software and faster computers. I’m 56, I hate dealing with computers (you might not feel that way) it is worth looking into. Try the VS2000?....I think?
https://www.roland.com/us/products/vs-2000cd/

JB
 
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Good news there are boxes like the Roland who the simple stuff for you. Bad news they make most other things impossible as you're locked into some functional limitation, and awful work flows.

The Roland has a CPU in it - just like a PC, except the OS and DAW-ware is highly optimized. Realtime but underpowered CPU, low RAM, Bloatware free, Not even wifi, and actually substandard storage. Still good for those who just want plug and play solution.

Just clean up the PC and you'll do just as well
Yet another guide: Gig Performer | The Ultimate Guide to Optimize your Windows PC for the Stage

Every DAW and every DAW forum has posts about optimizing the PC's, Even Mac forums.
 
I would be really interested in learning more about the Roland. I've worked on and around PCs for the better part of 25 years and don't really trust them if I'm being honest. I'm liking Reaper better but even then if I hear a note where I'm playing off or rushing or something like that I keep wondering if it's really me or if the software was doing something.

(I say that because that's what Studio One was doing to me. I would record something, it would be terrible with my playing sometimes ahead but mostly way behind. A few times I did a quick recording of the exact same track into the Windows video recorder and it would be fine. So it wasn't my playing. It was something the software was doing.)

So I like the idea of a dedicated unit, especially one with a good reputation. But I'm curious how you get files out of it. It looks like it comes with a read/write CD. Does it also have the ability to render a WAV file to a memory stick or something like that? If it can do that it might just be perfect for me.

Thanks,,

Ben
I purchased a Roland VS1824 when they came out; it was a really expensive lesson on how NOT to record. Lots of reasons why, but one of the issues is the VS recorded in it's own proprietary format file structures. You had to go through a few hoops to get your work in wav format to be usable for anything else.

Here's a blurb from the Roland website to clue you about the extra steps needed:

"Using the bundled conversion software for Mac and PC, you can transfer V-Studio files to your computer desktop, where they can be converted to .WAV or AIFF format."

I REALLY disliked doing that.

I've been home recording for several years and can HIGHLY recommend the two-fold process of tracking on a dedicated recorder and then exporting tracks to a PC or Mac to do editing.

I have a Zoom R24 that I've used to live track a few different full bands to do CDs for and it works well. Zoom has a newer series of mixers that do live capture that are also being well received. Those are the Zoom Livetrak recorders, L-8, L-12, and L-20. Tascam also has a good recorder that is similar.

The dedicated recorders such as the Zoom and Tascam machines have usb ports and hook up directly to your computer and look like an external drive. Transferring tracks to your computer is quick and easy.

Whatever you choose, make sure you can record your tracks as 24 bit wav files. These make editing easy and you don't have to track at levels that risk occasional digital peak, an absolute no-no. Some of the lower end Tascams only record at 16 bit. Avoid that.

The are many advantages to tracking on a dedicated multitrack recorder. With the Zoom unit you can use a set of AA batteries and a set of headphones to track virtually anywhere. Try multi-tracking under a shade tree in the park with a PC... :) Overdubbing is stupid-easy and there's NO latency delay issues... ever.

I purchased a Zoom R24 over a R16 because I only use condenser mics. The R24 has phantom power on 6 tracks, the R16 only provides phantom power for two.

For editing work you'll still need a PC or Mac. I use one of the widely available refurb PCs (I'm running an older one with Windows 7), a Mackie interface, and Presonus Eris 5 powered monitors. I highly recommend a good set of headphones, too. I have several sets, but my Beyerdynamic DT770s are so much better than any of the others that is all I use.

The dedicated PC makes things simple. Turn off any background programs, disable automatic updates, disable any networking, pull any wifi or internet access, etc. Do your work on this "quiet" machine and transfer any finished work to the internet by using a jump drive and a different computer for internet access.
 
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+1 on dedicated PC
It's probably cheaper, and once you get the hang of say "Reaper" you'll really appreciate the benefits and upgrades.

If it's a windows PC, then Read the DAW tuning articles, and they all mention "msconfig"
Windows Key -> msconfig
Services tab, Click Hide all Microsoft Services - and start turning off the bloat
When you save it will reboot.
If you go too far you can bring it up again and undo the changes
Mine is constantly on Selective Startup - and only rarely do I start with all services
 
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I would be really interested in learning more about the Roland. I've worked on and around PCs for the better part of 25 years and don't really trust them if I'm being honest. I'm liking Reaper better but even then if I hear a note where I'm playing off or rushing or something like that I keep wondering if it's really me or if the software was doing something.

(I say that because that's what Studio One was doing to me. I would record something, it would be terrible with my playing sometimes ahead but mostly way behind. A few times I did a quick recording of the exact same track into the Windows video recorder and it would be fine. So it wasn't my playing. It was something the software was doing.)
Sounds like your PC doesn't have enough horsepower or there's other software or services interfering with Studio One. That's what I use (with a Presonus Audiobox USB) and have never experienced any noticeable lag. @seamonkey gave good tips above. Also, having a dedicated secondary recording drive makes a big difference, although even when I was using Cubase 4.0 on my Windows 7 PC, there was no lag there, either.
 
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