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What does the future look like for weekend warriors?

I saw a story in Slate today: "High School Dances Canceled Because Students Would Rather Stay Home and Text Each Other." That's not just a shift in musical taste; it represents a decades-long change in the role popular music once enjoyed in the culture.

Live music clubs used to be social meeting spots; you had to go out to meet your friends and decide what to do with the night. Cell phones and the higher drinking age changed that dynamic pretty quickly in the 1980s.

Factor in smart phones, changing tastes, and the huge shift in music's supply/demand curve now that 20 versions of every song are constantly a couple clicks away? The gravy train pulled out of Weekend-Warrior Station a long time ago, and I don't see it coming back. There's still room for good bands, but that room's getting smaller.
 
I also play in a few tribute acts. A lot more work and not as much reward. One tribute is very active in self-promotion as they are trying to build a niche for themselves. But, as a tribute, they can only play once or maybe twice a month. I once thought that this was the new direction for the WW, but now I'm not so sure. There's some saturation of the market here in Southern Cal, and it's not going to improve anytime soon...

Most importantly... if you're a WW, then be certain that you don't suck, and you'll do just fine.

Tribute shows done well with no competition can run extremely well. Costumes, gear, staging, performance, banter, etc just add to it all.

I have friends in Stones, Bon Jovi and Bee Gees tribute bands that get PLENTY of work and a loyal fan base. Doors and ACDC Shows not so much as there is competition and are overdone.

Double and Triple Header tribute shows can attract a wider crowd, so get paid more, better advertising, etc.
 
I saw a story in Slate today: "High School Dances Canceled Because Students Would Rather Stay Home and Text Each Other." That's not just a shift in musical taste; it represents a decades-long change in the role popular music once enjoyed in the culture.

Live music clubs used to be social meeting spots; you had to go out to meet your friends and decide what to do with the night. Cell phones and the higher drinking age changed that dynamic pretty quickly in the 1980s.

Factor in smart phones, changing tastes, and the huge shift in music's supply/demand curve now that 20 versions of every song are constantly a couple clicks away? The gravy train pulled out of Weekend-Warrior Station a long time ago, and I don't see it coming back. There's still room for good bands, but that room's getting smaller.

Agreed. Next time you're at a weekend-warrior-style club gig (especially if you're in a cover band), take a look around the room and take note of who is actually paying attention to the band. Sadly, the answer is almost no one. And I DO play in a tribute band with "costumes, gear, staging, performance, banter, etc." I made this realization recently, and it doesn't bode well for live bands. How long before the club owners notice this as well? I'm sure some already have.

Smartphones are the primary source of entertainment/distraction for almost everyone now. Even if you're at a bar with something entertaining happening right in front of you, the smartphone wins. Love it or hate it, it's not gonna change.
 
These changes come and go. When you're young and all your friends are young it's easy to play to a packed house, at least locally. After that phase, many people just hang it up. Most of us on this thread have decided to keep going, and that just takes understanding a few simple facts...the most important of which is that change happens, and if you can't change (or at least refine your product) you will become sidelined eventually.

And yeah, the kiddies have some new toys. They always have new toys. Only difference now is that every performance matters so much more. People want to see good live music. Because of all their phones and other devices they know what good entertainment should sound and LOOK like. They just aren't as easily fooled as they were once because there's just so much available to compare to. I COMPLETELY agree with an earlier poster who said that people are now quite used to good sound systems...it's all around them now, in their cars, throughout their homes, in their earbuds, and it's just a given. My band got many MANY more fans and good paying gigs AFTER we upgraded our PA. Like Billy Martin said, every dentist has to buy his own dentist's chair. And we too, like another poster said, make sure we bring our "good stuff" to every event. What's happened to us is that we were able to start ditching the crappy old gigs (without burning bridges too) that never paid very well and have replaced those bookings with good bookings. The changeover took about a year, but it's been worth it.

Once you get a reputation for consistency and good sound you've pretty much did your part.

Also, I've thought a lot about cell phones lately. When we do big events people will just walk right up to you and stick their camera phone in your face. At first, it pi$$ed me off. But that's just how some people experience the world these days...I'm learning to accept it. Cell phones are good at spreading the word about a good band in a good bar AS IT IS HAPPENING. If you are lucky enough to play in an area with lots of bars, it's pretty typical to see the audience video taping your performance to send to their friends five bars down the street...pretty soon it's getting packed if you just maintain your poise and try to play a REAL SET (not some 45 minute thing). You just got to keep them in there.

And never play for free unless you just suck, and then you definitely shouldn't play.
 
I saw a story in Slate today: "High School Dances Canceled Because Students Would Rather Stay Home and Text Each Other." That's not just a shift in musical taste; it represents a decades-long change in the role popular music once enjoyed in the culture.

Live music clubs used to be social meeting spots; you had to go out to meet your friends and decide what to do with the night. Cell phones and the higher drinking age changed that dynamic pretty quickly in the 1980s.

Factor in smart phones, changing tastes, and the huge shift in music's supply/demand curve now that 20 versions of every song are constantly a couple clicks away? The gravy train pulled out of Weekend-Warrior Station a long time ago, and I don't see it coming back. There's still room for good bands, but that room's getting smaller.

My kids NEVER want to go to high school dances (I have two high-schoolers now and one just off to her first year in college). It's not because they're home texting (my kids only got cell phones very recently); it's because they're grossed out by their classmates' behavior at the dances. We used to slow dance; now it's all grinding. And the kids who grind are quite explicit about saying to those who don't, "If you don't like it, stay home." I was disappointed when they didn't want to go because dances were a big highlight of high school for me, but once I understood the reasons, I was proud of my kids.
 
Music is an outlet for me. Getting paid is just an affirmation that what I'm producing has value to others. Praise is nice, too. But attaboys from people that can afford a few bucks to be entertained (and often spend way more than the cost of a band on a weekend of golf) doesn't make me want to haul equipment, set up, play for 4 hours, load out and get home at 1am.

I play in church every Sunday and practice for it Wednesdays if I'm in town. I do a few community theater things but they can take a lot of time, depending on the show. I play in two bands, one oldies and one pop/dance/whatever. I also put together small groups if a gig pops up.

We're not a big fish in a small pond. We're about the only fish. In this town there are two bar/restaurants I'll play. One only holds 80 people. It's nice, kind of pricey, but because it's small they can only pay so much. We can get $400/night but with 5 people that's down to $80 each. It's a mile from the house and a fun time so I'm OK with it. With the big oldies group the singers don't get paid. They don't really have a lot invested but do it for fun. We make enough at private parties for everybody to make at least $100.

The other place is bigger and has a nice stage/lights but it's a smoking place. On nights we play they make it no smoking.

The oldies group is getting old. None of us really like playing 4 hour gigs. We did a freebie at a church a couple of weeks ago for the senior group. 200 people and they loved us. It so happened we had booked both clubs for gigs on back to back Fridays. The church deal was the Tuesday in between. I thought two gigs the same week was a mistake but we ended up packing both nights. The church deal was only one set and we all enjoyed it the most even though we didn't get paid. So we're about to try something different.

I talked with the community theater manager. They have a side room they call the studio for smaller shows. It has tables and chairs for about 60 and a small stage. I've done some Fri/Sat deals where it's two hours of music with drinks and hors d'oeuvres between sets. So instead of doing 4 hour gigs at a bar we're going to try and do quarterly or bi-monthly weekend shows. The manager says they usually clear about $1600 and we'll split it. Payment will be about the same for us but the hours and work effort will go down. Our elderly listeners can come out from 7-9, enjoy the music, have a drink and a snack and be home by 10. We should be able to pack the room and play for an attentive audience with minimum hassle.

The pop group will probably do theme nights, like Beatles, Eagles, Disco... The crowds this group draws is more hit and miss. The target audience has jobs/kids/commitments/other interests. Having a pre-scheduled, two night, shorter gig will be more flexible for them.

Should work in theory. We'll have guaranteed gigs, scheduled far in advance, we'll still do private functions and we get the added benefit of the theater mega-marketing machine:p.

I'm not too worried about drawing in the younger crowd. Young people like young people. I'm cool with that. I do notice younger people enjoying our shows when they are there. We slip in some modern stuff. But most of them aren't used to seeing bands. One twenty-something came up telling us how great we were. He said, "You guys, like, play real instruments and stuff!?!"

Fun church gig:

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Agreed. Next time you're at a weekend-warrior-style club gig (especially if you're in a cover band), take a look around the room and take note of who is actually paying attention to the band. Sadly, the answer is almost no one.
If a band is not commanding the patrons attention.....they suck! Sorry! They shouldn't be gigging in the first place.
 
When we play, I look around the room and there's usually not too many people who aren't paying at least some attention. The only time we got completely ignored was a posh wedding we played. We were strictly background noise. And, one of the guests tripped over a tent stake and broke a bunch of bones. The ambulance came and hauled him away, all while we were playing. The rest of the guests didn't seem to notice the EMTs or the ambulance, either. Rarified air does bad things to attention spans.
 
If a band is not commanding the patrons attention.....they suck! Sorry! They shouldn't be gigging in the first place.

Or they are playing the wrong venue. I have seen groups that are musically tight playing at a venue where the crowd
  • Probably had never heard any of the songs the band was covering
  • Probably never heard other songs in that genre
  • We're only there waiting for the headliner (a nationally recognized act) to show up. Anything else put in front of them at that point was noise.

It was basically an old school R&B group opening up for an '80s -'90s rock group that decided to tour again. I don't remember the name of the rock group, but might recognize it if I ever heard it again. I didn't listen to them when they were "famous" and I didn't listen to them that night either.

On a similar note, my guitarist went to see Gary Clark Jr open for Kings of Leon. He left after GCJ cause he could care less about KoL. And he said the KoL crowd was like "Gary who?"
 
Or they are playing the wrong venue. I have seen groups that are musically tight playing at a venue where the crowd
  • Probably had never heard any of the songs the band was covering
  • Probably never heard other songs in that genre
  • We're only there waiting for the headliner (a nationally recognized act) to show up. Anything else put in front of them at that point was noise.
Well, I put that on the bar/venue owner as well. I agree. Know your demographic. You can't be a "Type X" type band and expect that music to go over everywhere! I used to tell my old BL all the time when we played one particular place. It was known as a stepper club. I told him we have to play the music they usually step to and I even made up a list of about 10-15 great tunes which were popular as well. We played but 1 step tune (R Kelly Step In The Name Of Love)! :rollno: And most of the time they were all just sitting either staring at us or socializing.
 
Or they are playing the wrong venue. I have seen groups that are musically tight playing at a venue where the crowd
  • Probably had never heard any of the songs the band was covering
  • Probably never heard other songs in that genre
  • We're only there waiting for the headliner (a nationally recognized act) to show up. Anything else put in front of them at that point was noise.
It is on the venue. We had a few dates at an Irish pub a few years ago. This was a technical funk-rock band. I have no idea how or why we got the gig. People kept coming up to us and asking if we knew any Irish music. As they should have.

I didn't book that gig and had no relationship with the bar manager, but I was not at all surprised when it abruptly stopped and we never played there again.
 
I'm not sure that smoking restrictions really cut into nightlife that much.

Around my area, when discussing neighborhood dive bars - it's been a big deal.

I know of at least two bars that survived all the DUI changes (early to mid 1980's here in Michigan), survived the worst part of the auto industry collapse (2008-2010), and then cratered on the passing of the bar smoking ban in early 2010.

Now - I know other bars that have benefited from the smoking ban also... but it definitely helped shift who were winners and losers.

Places with food and a family atmosphere got more business. Local corner bars with regulars who came to drink and smoke got reamed.
 
I don't know - I've commonly see this behavior in large venues featuring major touring acts.

Folks paid $40+ per ticket and spend the whole show engrossed in the cell phone.
Well yeah, I've seen this too. Demographics. Gotta know your demographic! But I was referring more towards the bar scene and local bands. And by suck, not saying they can't play (some really can't play) but they may be just boring as hell or playing the wrong music. One band I saw, drummer had an electronic kit that could barely be heard. They had excessive reverb on the vocals and the singers had music stands in front of them. Amateurish in my opinion!