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What is trolling?

Dr. Cheese

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Mar 3, 2004
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Lately, a lot of old threads I started have been searched and discussion started again about the topic. One thread feature some rough interaction between me and another member over what I saw as trolling. If I remember corrrectly, we talked privately and came to an understanding.

That brings me to my topic, trolling. In my opinion, trolling is when one deliberately goes against the consensus of a thread just to get a reaction. Here is an example: a few years ago, Ronnie James Dio died and there was a tribute thread in his honor. I read the thread and learned more about an artist who I only knew of through old videos and I learned about him and his variety of Metal. I left the thread more knowledgeable. I contrast this to when Prince died and the great majority mourned his passing, but some people took great pleasure in saying how they disliked him or recounted stories they were negative. Of course, their defense was that they had a right to express their opinions.

My question is when does opinion turn into trolling? I feel that we should look at the tenor of a thread. Is it a commemoration or is it a genuine discussion? People posting might want to ask themselves if they really want to take part in a discussion or do they just want to toss a stink bomb?

The bottom line is that I think as a community, we should strive for intelligent conversation instead of simply stirring up controversy, I know it can be hard to know where to draw the line.
 
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In Alaska we have a much more fun version of trolling.
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Sorry for the bad pun just thought I’d throw some humor into this thread before it gets depressing.
Flag my comment if you must, I won’t be offended.
 
In Alaska we have a much more fun version of trolling.
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Sorry for the bad pun just thought I’d throw some humor into this thread before it gets depressing.
Flag my comment if you must, I won’t be offended.
Thanks for proving my point, sort of. You cracked a joke instead of adding to the discussion, but you were not being negative and attacking anyone.
 
Thanks for proving my point, sort of. You cracked a joke instead of adding to the discussion, but you were not being negative and attacking anyone.
What’s there to really say about trolls anyway. Online etiquette is not really any different from in person etiquette. Some people are just not very nice, some people are nice.

It just seams worse online because it’s easy to be a jerk when you hide behind an avatar and screen.

Work has been a terrible crap show of negativity and I’m trying my hardest to keep things light hearted outside of work. No need to trauma dump to a bunch of random strangers.
 
The fishing joke is actually a really good answer. Trolling is going against the grain SPECIFICALLY to get a negative reaction from people. This can easily be confused with people with honestly different opinions who are not willing to challenge their own beliefs with others experiences, opinions or evidence. Unfortunately, especially with Americans, it can be difficult tell the difference between the two.
 
The fishing joke is actually a really good answer. Trolling is going against the grain SPECIFICALLY to get a negative reaction from people. This can easily be confused with people with honestly different opinions who are not willing to challenge their own beliefs with others experiences, opinions or evidence. Unfortunately, especially with Americans, it can be difficult tell the difference between the two.
We use a lot of sarcasm in the US which doesn’t translate well to a screen. Also Americans are pretty low on the politeness scale when compared to a countries like Japan or Canada.

Born and raised in the U.S. so I think I can speak objectively on this subject.
 
I wouldn't want to be a new bass player joining this forum to ask a question or comment about something these days. It's not like it was when I joined in I think 2007-08 (lost that old profile). Some of their legitimate questions get absolutely bashed by people on here. Don't get me started on the people that seem to read through all bass classifieds solely to see if "nut width" and "weight" is in the ad just to ask that question in the comments with absolutely no intention of buying. I get the weight part as every instrument varies, but come on dudes and dudettes, if it's a stock standard instrument, more than likely you know what the nut width is. Sometimes us old timers get to caught up in explaining why we are selling the instrument and forget to mention one or the other. Guilty. I'm probably gonna get a big troll doll award just for this post lol.
 
Lately, a lot of old threads I started have been searched and discussion started again about the topic. One thread feature some rough interaction between me and another member over what I saw as trolling. If I remember corrrectly, we talked privately and came to an understanding.

That brings me to my topic, trolling. In my opinion, trolling is when one deliberately goes against the consensus of a thread just to get a reaction. Here is an example: a few years ago, Ronnie James Dio died and there was a tribute thread in his honor. I read the thread and learned more about an artist who I only knew of through old videos and I learned about him and his variety of Metal. I left the thread more knowledgeable. I contrast this to when Prince died and the great majority mourned his passing, but some people took great pleasure in saying how they disliked him or recounted stories they were negative. Of course, their defense was that they had a right to express their opinions.

My question is when does opinion turn into trolling? I feel that we should look at the tenor of a thread. Is it a commemoration or is it a genuine discussion? People posting might want to ask themselves if they really want to take part in a discussion or do they just want to toss a stink bomb?

The bottom line is that I think as a community, we should strive for intelligent conversation instead of simply stirring up controversy, I know it can be hard to know where to draw the line.
I agree, but the online world features brainless nitwits who just can't help but stir things up for no other reason than getting a rise out of everybody.

This Electronic Tower of Babble has to me lowered civility, in that there's lots of online chickens who just say terrible things that would get them punched if they said it face to face, which of course they never would.
 
I have always understood online trolling to be provocativa comments made in order to elicit negative or defensive comments from others. Some people thrive on negative energy, and try to elicit it. It is no different online. The most common ways are with insults, beration, criticism, argumentation, and false indignation.
On social media, I block a troll rather get caught in an endless argument.
 
My village idiot theory

Back in the day, before the internet, when the village idiot said something stupid, we'd all turn and look at him like he was an idiot, and someone would eventually say, "Shut up, you're an idiot".

This social behaviour tended to isolate the idiot, so his stupid ideas didn't get very far.

These days every village idiot can communicate with every other village’s idiot. The internet will profile them and match them up with other idiots, so even if they’re a complete idiot social media will figure it out and do it for them.

Now, instead of a bunch of non-idiots staring at the idiot like he’s an idiot when he says something stupid, he has an accepting audience that not only confirms that his stupid idea was right all along, but adds to and builds on his stupid idea with more stupidity.

Which is why we're now living in an idiocrasy.
 
In Alaska we have a much more fun version of trolling.
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Sorry for the bad pun just thought I’d throw some humor into this thread before it gets depressing.
Flag my comment if you must, I won’t be offended.
It's my understanding that the fishing term may be where the modern term comes from. You set the bait, and wait for a bite...
 
Good thread, Dr. Cheese.

I'm very non-confrontational, as some of you may know; I hate arguments over opinions, which no one can win.

There's the key word, "win."

A discussion should simply be an exchange of ideas, not a competition.

But, there are a lot of lonely and angry people in the world, who get insulted when either:

A) They meet someone who is obviously smarter than they
or
B) Other people dare not agree with them. Think politics. ;)

Then, add to this, the fact that these people can hide behind the anonymity of the web, and now they perceive that they have a little bit of power.

I've found that the few times I've gotten locked in a dogfight with an individual like this, I simply type, "Whatever" and leave the thread.

It drives these kind of people nuts. :thumbsup:

Mike