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What makes fEARFUL Cabs so scary?

Oh hey hey hey now, I didnt start this thread to trash fEARfuls at all. I just wanted to learn more about them. I think it's sweet that Greenboy posted his cab designs on the web for all to use for free, thats amazingly awesome of him. Luckily enough i think i may have the oppurtunity to play one since I live pretty close to the authorized builder in Pennsylvania.

I didn't think you did either. For some reason the word fEARful makes people fearful. ;)

Hope you get to play through one just to see what the fuss is all about. Tom Bowlus gave a review of them in Bass Gear Magazine and calls them the "real deal". Avatar used the concept to create the TB153 (With "TB" admittedly referring to all the talk of these cabs on TalkBass).
 
Lazarous.bird its cool. I'm just very interested in learning about fEARfuls and what separates them from other high quality (dare i say boutique?) cabs. And I believe part of the answer (based on a few responses to this thread) is the high quaity speakers.
 
And it isn't for many, which should be respectfully cool with everyone. But for someone for whom it is important, a cab that delivers it should be conversed about and offered up as a solution.

+1

JimmyM said..................."Hitting the open E or B fundamental mark has never been important to me."


Speaking for myself, the sound and feeling an open E properly produced is what got me playing bass in the first place.

When my home stereo speakers faithfully produce the 35 hz (to 20,000 hz) frequency............I LOVE MUSIC!

When my Acme B-2 nails the open E on my J and P Bass.............I smile!
 
Those Clairs are some of the best monitors that i have ever heard...!! and Meyer might be up a step from that.. IMO..
Ive bone gigs with a pair of these as mu monitor and BASS. Yes Bass... sounded ridiculously good...
used a Meyer115 years ago... it was smoking good....

YES, YES, thank you...

Those are SCARY speakers and they've been around forever.
I've also played several gigs without bass amp and had my bass on these Clairs and the sound that comes out of these things is simply UNBELIEVABLE. Forget Bergantino, GK, whatever... No comparison...

And the 12am's are about the size of a backpack.

Just throwing it out there: A tiny 12am will blow a 12" fEARful out of the water any day of the week, even if it's not a bass cab. Of course, I'm teasing ya'll, since I haven't heard the fEARfuls yet... :D
 
If you ever head up north, you are welcome to stop by and hear my fEARfuls (and compare them to the AudioKinesis, Acmes, Bergs and Baers - sorry, no Schroeders or Epifani anymore).

Tom.
Tom you are a gentleman.

I believe this is the true spirit of what talkbass *should* be about. Helping out fellow musicians rather than the endless bickering.
 
MarthaSamira said:
Honestly? Reading the whole feeling I get a gut feeling that this is more hype than truth and I can sense that there's a bunch of fEARful lovers that haven't ever heard one.

In music gear, most times we see trends like this that seem too good to be true, are too good to be true...

Having built and used one,I will absolutly agree there is hype and enthusiasm. Every product will have a certain amount of this. I well say that a pile of watts into one is a beautiful thing. With my QSC bridged into my 12/6 I got way louder while still clean than I have ever gotten with my Peavey 115 BW. And that is clean way up at the high notes I never use, and all the way down at my down tuned A in my fiver.
 
Acmes sacrifice sensitivity to produce 30-40hz that fEarfuls don't. They're yet another tradeoff.

A fEarful is about as loud per watt as a typical bass cab of its size, generally. An Acme is 3-6db quieter, but extends down to 30hz instead of 40hz.

A fEarful 12/6 is a hair more sensitive than an Acme B2, and has a bit more displacement, and the midrange driver can take more pounding.

Thank-you for the comment. cwebb
 
In my opinion, the fEARfuls and other Greenboy designs are the real deal. You need to play through one to make your own determination. There is a Google map on the fEARful site showing where many of them are. Find one near you and I'm sure the owner would be happy to offer you the chance to check one out, much better than asking for someone else's opinion about something so subjective.

And yes, I find the quirk of human nature that causes one to justify what they don't know curious. I see the same behavior with regard to Apple products and Hybrid vehicles.
 
+1

JimmyM said..................."Hitting the open E or B fundamental mark has never been important to me."


Speaking for myself, the sound and feeling an open E properly produced is what got me playing bass in the first place.

When my home stereo speakers faithfully produce the 35 hz (to 20,000 hz) frequency............I LOVE MUSIC!

When my Acme B-2 nails the open E on my J and P Bass.............I smile!

I agree on the feeling 100%. When I hit a note on my low B string at stage volume it is an indescribable feeling.

By the way, in the fEARful plans the shelf port can be extended to deliver notes down to 32Hz with aplomb.

Thumbs up on Acmes to by the way. Some cabs are good and then some are REALLY good. I liked Acme's...I just need more "war volume" as it were.
 
...Find one near you and I'm sure the owner would be happy to offer you the chance to check one out, much better than asking for someone else's opinion about something so subjective.

Because opinions are what they are, and adjectives can be misunderstood, that's why many of us fEARful owners use charts/graphs and other data to relay the factual information about them.

Some don't understand the data, or can't translate what that means in real world sound and I can sympathize with that. In that case there is no substitute for actually hearing one for themselves.

In a way, that is kind of sad because if a commercial manufacturer came out with this, people could go to a music store and play through one and know. The fact that fEARfuls are becoming still more popular even without being in stores...and that the plans are still available for free says a lot about the design.
 
I've tried ACME's...

Pretty shy cabs. Not on par with the stuff we're talking about here at all...
Hope fEARfuls have nothing on them.

They are pretty much on par with regards to frequency response and good mids. They just aren't as efficient meaning you need more power than a fEARful to get the same volume. Also weigh more for their output. Great little cabs though. No reason to diss the Acme's.

Do have something positive to say about anything in this discussion? ;)
 
Excuse me, but what's the deal with "going very low"? Are you playing bass or watching Transformers on your home-theater?

Who in the whole world would want a boomy fest sucking up everything it encounters?

Sorry, I just don't get it...
You obviously (as others have pointed out) don't get it at all. Do you know what low frequencies actually sound like? I don't think you do. They don't boom. Mid-bass booms. Schroeders boom. A fEARful will not boom unless you eq your amp that way on purpose. They don't need to go "very low". They need to reproduce what I want. If I roll off the tone and play my low B, I still want to hear the pitch, even with the rest of the band playing. I can do that with my fEARful, and I haven't been able to with most other cabinets.

Keep in mind, fEARfuls don't have huge exaggerated low bass. If you heard my cabinet, you probably would not think "that's a bassy-sounding cabinet". You would probably instead think "that's a very clear, present, and solid sounding cabinet".


What are you guys playing? Synth bass hip-hop style earth-shaking sub 30hz headache inducing frequencies? Most bass cabs have too much bass already. It's in the richness of the low-mids that our instrument shines.
Most cabinets for bass guitar don't actually reproduce much low bass at all, they have a LOT of mid-bass or low mids. If you've never heard good strong lows, you can't make a judgement on what you THINK they would sound like. It doesn't sound like cranking the bass control on a bass-shy speaker.
I generally play mostly on the bridge pickup, and have a very mid-present and fat sound. But I also have a good amount of fundamental in the note (NOT boomy, just enough). If I want less lows, I can eq them out. I can also quickly switch to a huge dub sound, rolling the tone all the way off on my neck pickup and playing over the fingerboard. And you know what? I can still clearly and cleanly hear each note all the way down the B string. Can other cabinets do all this? I'm sure some can. But the ones I have tried (Acoustic, Markbass, SWR, GK, Peavey, Eden, Schroeder, Crate, Ampeg, Fender, EV, Bag End, Aguilar, etc... ) don't do it as well FOR ME.

I don't have a dog on this fight nor have tried them myself. Just asking questions and trying to understand the hype. That's all...
Really? You've never heard one and yet you keep implying negative things about both the speakers and the people that like them.

MarthaSamira said:
Just throwing it out there: A tiny 12am will blow a 12" fEARful out of the water any day of the week, even if it's not a bass cab. Of course, I'm teasing ya'll, since I haven't heard the fEARfuls yet...
There you go.

I'd love to hear some of you fEARful owners comment on the comparison of Acme vs fEARful. Given already that the Acme's are low efficiency cabs and are not loud.
Acme's are much more bottom-heavy. Too much of a good thing for me. Too soft in the mids. fEARfuls are much more balanced, much more efficient, and can get much louder.

Honestly? Reading the whole feeling I get a gut feeling that this is more hype than truth and I can sense that there's a bunch of fEARful lovers that haven't ever heard one.

In music gear, most times we see trends like this that seem too good to be true, are too good to be true...

fEARfuls are not too good to be true, and they don't claim to break any laws of physics. They just try to optimize within certain parameters (low-frequency reproduction, weight, efficiency, dispersion, etc.). That's why people quote specs. So you can know what you are getting, and what you are not.

I also think that most people that are saying it's all hype haven't heard one. I have, and while it's not the perfect cabinet, it comes closer than anything else I personally have tried so far.

So Martha... Where are you located? Again, pretty much every fEARful owner would be glad to let you listen and judge for yourself. And if you don't like it, no problem. But why judge it without hearing?
 
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When I finished my first 12/6, I did a side-by-side comparison between it and my Acme B-2. Same amp; same settings; same bass; same room. The only thing that varied was which box the speaker cable was plugged into.

It's been about 2 and a half years, but here are some of the high points as I remember them:
The 8 ohm 12/6 was at least as loud as the 4 ohm B-2.
The very low end was similar.
I liked the mids better with the 12/6. This was especially true in the "guitar register" (D,G,C strings/12th fret and higher).
The 12/6 was slightly larger than the B-2.
The 12/6 weighed 12 lbs. less.
The single side-mounted strap handle on my 12/6 made it much less awkward to carry than the ridiculous handles/placement on the B-2.

I sold the B-2 after my 1st gig with the 12/6.