What would you do?

[FerruleCat]

A new Tone Hammer 500 costs $670. Let's run the scenarios...

1. You forgive the BL and eat the cost of a new amp. You keep the band relationship intact, which we assume represents some future gig income for you.
2. You forgive the BL and ask for voluntary help with a new amp. Might be a sticky conversation, but you keep it cool and gratefully take whatever they can give you out of good will. Band stays intact.
3. You tell the BL straight up that he caused your damages and owes you a new amp. Unless the BL agrees, you probably burn the bridge and end up eating the cost yourself, unless...
4. You give the BL a chance to make it right, and if he doesn't, you file a small claim action. You would probably want a witness to confirm your side of the story, which you may or may not get if you just burned bridges with the band. Consider your filing costs too, as well as the grief and the time.

I wouldn't pick an issue with the club owner, mostly because it was the BL who caused your damage by ignoring what you said.

You just need to consider the options and figure out which one is most worth it to you. Good luck with it.

 

[johnson79]

It's very easy to install wire a receptacle as 240V if you don't know what you're doing.
If it wasn't labeled most folks would see a black and white conductor and assume hot and neutral.

Hopefully it's just the fuse that took the hit and not the amp.

 

[Deleted member 165050]

And penmanship.

Is that a politically incorrect word, gender-wise? I think it should probably be penpersonship.

This by the way was an attempt at humor. I may have failed.

 

[MultiScaleMale]

Wait, so you knew by looking at the outlet that it was 240V by looking at it? Multimeter vision?

And the electrician can't check a fuse on the amp?

Grammer (sic) aside, this story doesn't add up.

 

[LowActionHero]

Is that a politically incorrect word, gender-wise? I think it should probably be penpersonship.

This by the way was an attempt at humor. I may have failed.

Pen(whatever you identify with today) ship

 

[jdthebassman]

that is why I use a power conditioner that guards against that. I happened to us once at an out door gig we lost some expensive gear had to sue the the town one of those gazebo gigs in small claims court we won

 

[cheapbasslovin]

I'm one of you. nothing really surprises me anymore.You should see some of the Bubba rigs where I live. Lots of places burn. Lots more surprise me that they haven't.
And like the club owner, won't listen. I got a call one day where a guy had pried the cover off a panel with a claw hammer and had succeeded in lighting up the skin of the building.
To top it off, he was barefoot on a concrete floor fishing around in the panel. Then he told his cousin I talked to him like a dog because I pointed out he was about to be electrocuted.
People just don't get it, nope.

See, this is why you never attempt to preemptively save someone's life. You might insult them and that's clearly the greater concern.

 

[cheapbasslovin]

Hm - that's interesting.. I learn something every day.. Didn't realize that a hack-job could lead to 240V on the outlet. Good to know. I'm putting one of these power strips on my shopping list, next time I go to Home Depot.

On a different note - I'm surprised nobody has addressed the elephant in the room yet; the band leader referring to that TH500 as "poopy gear"

Regards
Mark

If the gear is so poopy, it should be relatively painless to replace.

 

[AndyPanda]

Back in the early 70's, I played a circuit of nightclubs where I'd be at the same place for 2-4 weeks then off to the next and eventually back to the first again (I worked 6 nights a week for many years). At one club, the outlets on one side of the stage were wired from one leg of the 240v and the outlets on the other side were from the other leg - and at least one was wired wrong such that the hot was ground (this was before 3 prong plugs were mandatory). One of the guys in the band had some of his gear into one outlet and some effect box (flanger or something) into the other outlet and he fried his gear and nearly killed himself - I got a meter and measured 240 volts between his effect box and the sleeve of the 1/4" cable he was plugging into it)

After that, I went to every club we played at and (with permission but on my own dime) rewired the stages. While I was at it, I bought curtains at thrift stores and lined the back wall of the stages with them. It improved the sound a lot (I played at some clubs in basements with cinder-block walls behind the stage).

I always take a meter with me and check all the outlets.

 

[39-Bassist]

Tell my BL he owes me repair cost...if you don't get money, then say thank you and find another group.
But that's just me...
Hope it doesn't cost too much to fix.

 

[bdplaid]

Don't know about any others, but being an electrician you'd be surprised at what some people will do

I've been a victim of it myself - like getting bitten by full 120v through the mic. Later that evening, my bass tuners touched the mic, huge spark from the contact, all the lights went out in the whole place, a woman screamed. It was like in a friggin movie. Bass tuner was literally welded to the mic, had to pry them apart.
I always wondered how the bar owner got that wiring so wrong...

but as for your situation, I'd make the bar owner and the band leader split the cost of repair. If they didn't, 1) I'd quit, calling the band leader a stupid ffffcker, and B), I'd tell the owner that code enforcement might need a call...

 

[tedious1]

It's all fine and dandy to be grammatically correct with properly formed sentences and good spelling, I am all for it. It does however make the thread very difficult to read for anyone who is actually interested in the content rather than English composition with all the criticism going on especially when most of it is just piling on.

Mention it once then let it be otherwise it is going Off Topic which by TB rules is reportable.

Ok, grumpy old fart hat off - back on topic.

Nothing I like better than when someone breaks the very rule that they are trying to castigate me for breaking...just a touch hypocritical don't you think? Wait, keep in mind, you're the one modifying the rule (which modification I don't remember being in the forum rules) to make it ok to mention in once. But hasn't it already been mentioned more than once, prior to you mentioning it again, since you're all for properly formed sentences and good spelling. You truly are to be commended, few people in this world can take the "Do as I say, not as I do" game to such a level.

And switching hats makes for a poor disguise, we still know it was you trying to take me to task by doing exactly what you are trying to take me to task for...

And you chose precisely the wrong post to quote.

I'm not castigating the OP, like you are trying to do to me. I'm trying to give the OP a different frame of reference to view the subject through, one that might resonate with him and give him cause to see why people may react poorly to poor spelling and grammar. I didn't criticize at all, rather I'm trying to lead the OP to his own epiphany on the subject, which is the one thing most likely to resonate and create a change in how the OP communicates.

You had lots of posts which were acerbic in nature, and would have far better made your point (although without changing that the point is coming from a hypocritical position on your part) but you chose to hold mine up for public castigation.

Why?

Actually don't bother, I'm not interested enough in the answer to not add you to my ignore list. And done.

 

[Deleted member 165050]

Is English your second language?

Yes. My first is Sarcasm.

 

[devnulljp]

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[catcauphonic]

Nothing I like better than when someone breaks the very rule that they are trying to castigate me for breaking...just a touch hypocritical don't you think? Wait, keep in mind, you're the one modifying the rule (which modification I don't remember being in the forum rules) to make it ok to mention in once. But hasn't it already been mentioned more than once, prior to you mentioning it again, since you're all for properly formed sentences and good spelling. You truly are to be commended, few people in this world can take the "Do as I say, not as I do" game to such a level.

And switching hats makes for a poor disguise, we still know it was you trying to take me to task by doing exactly what you are trying to take me to task for...

And you chose precisely the wrong post to quote.

I'm not castigating the OP, like you are trying to do to me. I'm trying to give the OP a different frame of reference to view the subject through, one that might resonate with him and give him cause to see why people may react poorly to poor spelling and grammar. I didn't criticize at all, rather I'm trying to lead the OP to his own epiphany on the subject, which is the one thing most likely to resonate and create a change in how the OP communicates.

You had lots of posts which were acerbic in nature, and would have far better made your point (although without changing that the point is coming from a hypocritical position on your part) but you chose to hold mine up for public castigation.

Why?

Actually don't bother, I'm not interested enough in the answer to not add you to my ignore list. And done.

I think i see where your username comes from No offense ... not trying to make 'the list'

 

[tedious1]

I think i see where your username comes from No offense ... not trying to make 'the list'

No offense taken...you'll have to work harder than that!

And since I'm apparently the Ted Bundy of OT posts...

The username actually comes from one of my mantras when I was a guitar player, bass players are tedious. Given that position, it may have seem a strange choice on their part to suggest I take over bass full time, but that was to keep me from firing the bass player. On that score it worked .

In terms of what made bass players tedious, look around, this site is full of tedium, particularly to a 20something punk rock guitar player...to the 40something bass player that came out the other end, it's all natural and right. We should know that two 8 ohm cabs presents a 4 ohm load to the head. But that 20something punk rock guitar player didn't know, didn't care, and didn't care to know.

Fortunately that 20something punk rock guitar player never owned a full stack either...given his regrettable short-sightedness regarding impedance...

Beyond that, I stand by the ignore list addition. He spoke his piece, I spoke mine, 99% of these on the internet are going to go downhill from that point, and though I love a good flame war, I don't really have the time for it ATM, so putting him on the ignore list seems an elegant solution. All I have to lose is the possible epiphany on the other party's part that they were offside, but I already know that, I don't need an admission to make it so. And this community is large enough that I can silence lots of voices without unduly affecting the quality of my content.

 

[Slevage]

GRAMMER NATZI!!

I always thought knotsie started with a k.

 

[Deleted member 165050]

In terms of what made bass players tedious, look around, this site is full of tedium, particularly to a 20something punk rock guitar player...to the 40something bass player that came out the other end, it's all natural and right. We should know that two 8 ohm cabs presents a 4 ohm load to the head. But that 20something punk rock guitar player didn't know, didn't care, and didn't care to know.

Fortunately that 20something punk rock guitar player never owned a full stack either...given his regrettable short-sightedness regarding impedance...

Beyond that, I stand by the ignore list addition. He spoke his piece, I spoke mine, 99% of these on the internet are going to go downhill from that point, and though I love a good flame war, I don't really have the time for it ATM, so putting him on the ignore list seems an elegant solution. All I have to lose is the possible epiphany on the other party's part that they were offside, but I already know that, I don't need an admission to make it so. And this community is large enough that I can silence lots of voices without unduly affecting the quality of my content.

I just feel privileged that such a superior intellect lowers his sight so far as to acknowledge we lesser beings even exist.

 

[tedious1]

I just feel privileged that such a superior intellect lowers his sight so far as to acknowledge we lesser beings even exist.

As well you should.

Since you obviously couldn't detect that in the first two paragraphs I'm taking the mick from myself, and in the last I'm talking about the futility of flame wars, seguing into why they go that way, and finally summing up with why I don't bother and go straight to ignore...Since all of that is apparently beyond your capabilities, we'll just go with my intellect being superior.

But don't be too hard on yourself, your intellect is fine, good enough to know what list you just got yourself on anyways...

 

[Deleted member 165050]

As well you should.

Since you obviously couldn't detect that in the first two paragraphs I'm taking the mick from myself, and in the last I'm talking about the futility of flame wars, seguing into why they go that way, and finally summing up with why I don't bother and go straight to ignore...Since all of that is apparently beyond your capabilities, we'll just go with my intellect being superior.

But don't be too hard on yourself, your intellect is fine, good enough to know what list you just got yourself on anyways...

I feel deeply honoured to have made the list. I might light a candle or even bake a small celebratory cake.