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What's your favourite Mesa Subway Head?

What is your favourite Mesa Subway Head?

  • D-800

    Votes: 22 11.8%
  • D-800+

    Votes: 50 26.7%
  • WD-800

    Votes: 57 30.5%
  • TT-800

    Votes: 36 19.3%
  • They all sound the same so I bought an Ampeg

    Votes: 7 3.7%
  • Hellman's > Miracle Whip

    Votes: 7 3.7%
  • Fire the drummer (I think it make a nice change from "carrots")

    Votes: 8 4.3%

  • Total voters
    187
Yes friends, I fully realize that answers can be found in the Official Mesa Boogie Subway Club thread, but there are over 1800 pages in that thing and ain't nobody got time for that... at least not tonight.

Why am I asking? Excellent question... I tried a Subway head out back near the beginning. It wasn't quite my thing. Went with a GK MB800, and then later the Legacy 800. I have tried the D-800+, which I found to be much like the D-800. Then I tried the TT-800, which is definitely not my thing. Tonight, I ran across the WD-800, and by crickey, that might just be my thing.

Does anyone else find something a little special about the WD-800? Or any of the other models, for that matter? Which one is the one for you? Why? Is it band dependent? Music dependent? Feature Dependent?

Do tell.
 
I love the TT800. It fits me perfectly. I switch channels quite a bit.

That said, I also have a Mesa Walkabout head, which is the predecessor to the WD. Andy tweaked a few things and made a few improvements (as well as paring that preamp with 800 watts). It, too, has a ridiculously good EQ section. If the WD is your flavor, go for it.
 
WD sure does it for me! The versatility and tone-shaping is important, because I play a lot of different types of music. It's got all the power and features I'll ever need in an amp.

The basic tone with everything set flat sounds great to me. Just playing with the gain and master can get fairly clean and loud, although I really prefer that tubey, warm breakup you can dial in with higher gain settings and hotter input. What's remarkable to me is that you can actually get a lot of tube grind at low volume if you push the input stage and keep the master down low. Try that with a full tube amp! It's really easy to dial in just the right amount of overdrive, and a couple of features help with that. Switching to 2-ohm mode limits output into higher loads, which helps you get some OD at lower volume settings or get more distortion at higher volumes. You can go for just a little bit of drive when you really dig in to fully saturated overdrive and everything in between.

The power tube emulation gives a little different flavor of drive when pushed. It's more subtle than pushing the gain, really musical and interacts beautifully with the preamp, providing another way to get different flavors of overdrive. Those features coupled with the wonderful Power Amp Damping control provide a robust palette to dial in the tones needed for different situations.

I had demoed a Walkabout and really liked it, but it was out of production by the time I came across one and was pretty pricey on the used market. I settled for something else but it was just too sterile and I didn't find much satisfaction chasing after the tones that I wanted with pedals. One thing I did learn on that little side-trip to tone nirvana was that for me, modern practice features such as a headphone output, ability to play without a speaker load for silent practice, and an Auxiliary input are essential to me. 3 more boxes checked by the WD.

The DI is a high point of the Subway series and is quite versatile. I always run mine post-EQ, but having the option to bypass the preamp is important for some players. Being able to choose between line-level and mic-level output allows you to push the gain without sending too hot of a signal to the board when sending a post-EQ feed.

The WD REALLY shines in a band setting. It's so easy to dial in a tone that sits well in the mix. My band plays metal and tends toward the harder end of the party rock spectrum, at loud but not at crazy volumes. I'm a big believer in using the mids to claim my space in a mix, and the WD has a deep well to draw from. The HPF is indispensable for taming the robust, deep bass at your command. It's got plenty of booty! Between that, the parametric EQ, and other tone controls (bass, treble, passive mid) it's pretty easy to get the tones I need and to tame uncooperative rooms. And if you need crazy volume, the WD can deliver. Truthfully, with a hot signal and a pair of Subway cabs, I have had no need to go beyond gain at 2:00 and master at noon. And the controls are linear, so I'm leaving a lot in the tank.

Another benefit from the Subway amps is that the resale value is really good, so it shouldn't cost too much to turn it over if you decide it's not your thing. The main negatives that I read here are that all those controls are overwhelming for some, and it's brighter than a lot of amps. Both features appeal to this ol' gearhead, so this is a match made in tone heaven!

Good luck to you on your tone quest!
 
I have the D800+. It is a mighty little amp, easily driving two Acme B2s, which are notorious for needing a lot of power. I really appreciate the fact that it has an HPF, which I hope will help me avoid the other thing about B2s, which is creasing of the bass drivers at high volumes / power levels. I play 4 string exclusively, sometimes tuned down to D, so I can dial out most everything below that and avoid a lot of low-frequency transients that are unhelpful.
 
The basic tone with everything set flat sounds great to me.

That's what caught my attention immediately. The other Subways needed to fiddle with in the EQ section to get me close to a tone I liked, but not with the WD-800. I've always believed that if you don't get a good tone with the amp set flat, then no amount of EQ is going to make you love it. My only gripe with the WD-800 is that you need a footswitch to bypass the mid EQ. I know that you can also defeat the mid EQ by setting the boost/cut at zero, but it since the feature exists, it would be nice if there was a way to do it with a switch on the front of the amp. No doubt there is a perfectly good design reason - maybe lack of space?
 
Some say it is very similar. To me it wasn't - the Subway channel on the TT was not as quick and immediate as the D800+ and I didn't like it nearly as much (love that boogie channel though).
There are a lot of similarities, but there are differences as well because the architecture is different by necessity. This is due to the tube drive section.
 
There are a lot of similarities, but there are differences as well because the architecture is different by necessity. This is due to the tube drive section.
Yep - nothing "wrong" with the Subway channel on the TT at all, just coming from the D800 it wasn't what suited my personal needs as a player. It's a great amp though.