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What's your threshold?

For those of you who play in cover bands, when do you justify purchasing an effect?

When you play a number of songs that require the effect? How many songs is that?

When a song would be hard to recognize without the effect? Does the popularity of the song matter?

Do you take the size of the gig into consideration?
 
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I know that wasn't your question but I suppose it might still be relevant.

Me playing in an original band where I got the main compositioning chores I will, by now eventually having build an effects setup that seems to work for most of my ideas, mainly try to compose based on the pedals I already got, however if I come up with something that will require a specific effect to work optimally that is not in my setup I will try to find an effect as closely matching the requirements as possible, and if it doesn't happen to be in my collection already I will buy, sometimes that takes several wrong purchases, since I don't really have any option of trying out a lot of different pedals in my reasonable proximity.

But then again in the musical project that current got my main focus and where I as said play bass and is the one mainly responsible for writing songs I don't really tend to use effects in a way that reasonably could be classified as just subtle flavor if not already an integrated part of my basic always on clean tone, when I use effects for the songs I write for this project they tend to usually play a quite essential role to the composition.

And yes, I actually got 1 pedal in my setup, added fairly recently, that currently is only used for 1 song, though that is likely to change for more songs as time goes on.

I kind of believe I finally have reached a point where I have build up a pedal setup that ought to cover what is to become this projects "sound" and kind of hope it won't be necessary to add additional pedals in the future, but who knows what I will come up with as time goes on, the project is still at a pretty early state where thing are slowly coming together, just recently starting to rehearse with a drummer friend of mine who will mainly just be responsible for coming up with the drums parts, plus a little additional vocals and synth work, though I worked on songs and my setup for the project for over a year by now.

For the sake of context the project I am speaking about is sort of a progressive psychedelic stoner/doom rock bass/vocals and drums/vocals duo.

My basic "clean" tone consist of a parallel (as on mixed with clean signal) compressed signal, really just adding extra punch, snap and bit to my tone, but without really affecting my playing dynamics, an always on 1 octave up effect mixed with clean signal, giving an effect somewhat similar to that of playing an 8 string bass, with pairs of respective bass and octave strings and a low gain grinding kind of overdrive, mixed in parallel with clean signal, adding a bit of grid, some extra snap and bite and enhancing harmonic content of my clean signal.

Additionally following effects are used:

- A high gain, quite raunchy and somewhat fuzz-esque, distortion, consisting of a Rat clone mixed in parallel with a Joyo Orange Juice low gain overdrive staked into a Boss MT-2 Metal Zone distortion

- A high gain octave fuzz delivered by my Behringer SF300 Super Fuzz, mixed in parallel with clean signal

- A phaser with a relatively high feedback and wide sweep setting mixed in parallel with a flanger effect

- A lush chorus effect from a pedal based on the Boss CE-1 circuit with a tremolo stacked into it

- A NUX Tape Core Deluxe delay pedal, which is a digital Roland Space Echo tape delay emulation.


Regarding cover band, though I could not ever picture myself in one, I would properly aim for acquiring any effect that played an essential part for a song, even if it was just 1, whereas if it was just a subtle flavor effect I'd probably see how the song would work out without it, and otherwise just roughly approximate a somewhat similar effect with whatever I could find on one of my digital Zoom multi effects.
 
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I'm an effects addict, so I'd probably buy the pedal even if the song was not in the setlist :laugh:

I guess that a good approach is to imagine how you'd feel if you went to a gig of whichever band wrote the song and they played it without the effect. Your level of disappointment should be directly proportional to the need of buying the pedal.

"Nice to know you" without an octaver? I'd probably forgive you by next song. "Sledgehammer" without an octaver? I'm burning the place down!
 
That depends. I'm pretty much downscaling right now. Trying out the "do I really need this" approach.
(It's so damned hard... :() I'll rather add a pedal if I feel that I need it rather than stacking all I got in one pot.

I'm trying real hard to just go DI+Dirt+Comp+Tuner. But relapse does happen. :roflmao:
 
I'm an effects addict, so I'd probably buy the pedal even if the song was not in the setlist :laugh:

I guess that a good approach is to imagine how you'd feel if you went to a gig of whichever band wrote the song and they played it without the effect. Your level of disappointment should be directly proportional to the need of buying the pedal.

"Nice to know you" without an octaver? I'd probably forgive you by next song. "Sledgehammer" without an octaver? I'm burning the place down!

up next, RHCP Around the World with clean bass.
 
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For this reason alone, I have an M5 and a B1Xon.

A Zoom MS60B would be another great cheap way to cover a lot of material for those one or two songs that need "something".


Can't help with "threshold", as I needed neither the M5 nor the B1Xon, or any of my other multitude of effecty pedals (not including Utility pedals I need just to get my basic signal).
 
When a song would be hard to recognize without the effect?

Has that ever actually happened for anyone? Off the top of my head I can't think of any popular tune from the past ~100 years that would be unrecognizeable -- or even just modestly difficult to identify -- if the bass part was performed with a different tone than the original.
 
A friend's cover band has a BCA (well actually Straight DI) bass player who's never used effects.
Nobody's ever complained, he's a great player.


Me, I'll jump at the chance to use any effect, albeit gigged the last few years with zero effects. Just the last two gigs started to reintroduce effects into my "rig".
 
How come these seem to usually show up in pairs?
One is usually early in one's chain (although in my case it's in loop 4) for pitch / chorus / trem etc...the other is usually on the end of one's pedal board performing ambience or delays, or both depending on the algorithm. If you imagine all the DSP of a HX stomp...just reserved for one effect at a time...but that single effect has the horse power to sound amazing and really shine.
 
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For those of you who play in cover bands, when do you justify purchasing an effect?

When you play a number of songs that require the effect? How many songs is that?

When a song would be hard to recognize without the effect? Does the popularity of the song matter?

Do you take the size of the gig into consideration?

I play and sub with many bands that cover a wide array of genres (plus one that's all original). That said, it's nearly all bar gigs, very few high-paying corporate/wedding gigs. The only obvious bass effect I technically need is distortion/fuzz for the bass break in "Dance to the Music" -- sometimes I kick that in, but I've often done that break with just my regular always-on overdrive and nobody cared that it wasn't fuzzy.

Technically, I could play all my gigs with no FX whatsoever and no one would care, but I use overdrive and distortion because I like it! My favorite gigs are harder rock where I can go from my usual always-on OD to heavy clang from stacked distortions.

My 11-member classic rock/R&B "big band" (5 piece horn section) thought about covering "Sledgehammer". If they did then I probably would have looked into octave, chorus, heavy compression, but they never got around to it so I got to save some time and money. The only FX I currently own are dirt and compression (and I don't often bother with compression, even though I enjoy subtler shades).


Here's the caveat: if I were playing in a high-dollar corporate/wedding band where I was expected to be a tone chameleon (help cover synth bass, etc) then I would invest heavily in effects -- probably one of the modern multi-effect units, perhaps more as needed. But the wedding scene never been my goal, and even though my "big band" occasionally gets "tux gigs", they are hired to play what they always play, which is mostly 60s/70s rock/R&B... no attempt to keep up with the latest pop hits (though they did pick up "Smooth" and "Uptown Funk" to be slightly modern).
 
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30 bass tones in one gig. Sound guys nightmare.
You’ll end up squashed with a hard limiter. Or even turned off in the FOH if the levels and EQ are all over the place.

Live, simple is good.

Unless you hired the sound guy, or you’re a big headliner.

3, 2, 1.....bash sound guys incoming.