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Wheres 1 ??? Jackie Wilson Higher and Higher

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BassyBill said:
Here’s one that actually looks correct - including the tempo. From top-dots.com…
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This is basically correct, and probably the most plausible and useful way of notating that part, IMO anyway. It probably doesn't need to get any more complicated than this. It's certainly not in any sense wrong to notate short rests between short notes, but in practice, it's often unnecessary and can make a score look fussy. You can often get the desired effect by other means (eg, dots on notes), or players can supply the required feel on their own.
 
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Richard Lindsey said:
This is basically correct, and probably the most plausible and useful way of notating that part, IMO anyway. It probably doesn't need to get any more complicated than this. It's certainly not in any sense wrong to notate short rests between short notes, but in practice, it's often unnecessary and can make a score look fussy. You can often get the desired effect by other means (eg, dots on notes), or players can supply the required feel on their own.
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Yes. Note the staccato dot on beat 3, bar 2, post #38.
 
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For Ss & Gs..."Where Is One"
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Once upon a time, I played in some crazy originals band with a drummer that sounded like 2 people.
One of his tunes was named "Find 1".
He gave you a 2-bar intro & you had better be counting from that point...or else.
(Not that anyone woulda noticed). :)
 
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BrotherMister said:
Hopefully this helps
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What's funny, the very first time in Intro James Jamerson plays only one A note, not two.

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kesslari said:
Love how it pedals that one note while the chords change around it
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I've found one video where Bobby Brooks Wilson - Jackie's son - sings that song and the bass player changes (diatonically) the bass riff.

 
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Whousedtoplay said:
What's funny, the very first time in Intro James Jamerson plays only one A note, not two.
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Really?

One confusing thing is there are at least two versions floating around.

In one version I think I hear a pretty clear two A's at the start. On the other, I feel like I hear *something* on that second eighth note, but maybe it's just my imagination, or just some rhythmic string muting noise.

Also, on one version the bass does a thing where it occasionally does a little run up from the F# at the end of phrases instead of the A-A-B-D, where the other sticks religiously to the same figure throughout from what I can hear.

I'm kinda curious now what the history of those two versions is. Is one older than the others? Are they both the same personnel?
 
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bfields said:
In one version I think I hear a pretty clear two A's at the start. On the other, I feel like I hear *something* on that second eighth note, but maybe it's just my imagination, or just some rhythmic string muting noise.
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Yes, you are correct.
I've used the following version:



Here is Intro, just very slowly.
https://www.talkbass.com/attachment...1/?temp_hash=1936ffaea454ca6f0484e8e49a56c3bd


Here is a different version with the bass playing two notes in Intro.



And, YES, in the second version/video the bass is "seriously busy".
Just one of those "variations".

https://www.talkbass.com/attachment...4/?temp_hash=4e13864d26453efbf7573676a1d753bd
 

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I'm *really* curious about those two version now. Wikipedia says that there was an album released a few months after the single, I wonder if it was re-recorded for the album? The vocal performance is different too I think.

It's the "ultimate Jackie Wilson" version that's the canonical version for me. I like the busier bass line, and the rhythm guitar.
 
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bfields said:
I'm *really* curious about those two version now. Wikipedia says that there was an album released a few months after the single, I wonder if it was re-recorded for the album? The vocal performance is different too I think.

It's the "ultimate Jackie Wilson" version that's the canonical version for me. I like the busier bass line, and the rhythm guitar.
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I'm not very good about all those nuances, but, yes, both versions have clearly-pronounced differences.
From the Internet:

"This was originally recorded by the vocal group The Dells. It was written by the blind songwriter and producer from Chicago, Raynard Minor, who worked on the original version with Billy Davis of Chess Records and producer Carl Smith. Davis allowed another songwriter in the Chess stable, Gary Jackson, to make some changes and pitch the song, with Davis removed from the credits. Jackson got the song to Brunswick Records, and they recorded it with their artist Jackie Wilson before The Dells could release their version."

Here is the Dells' version of that song.
(And that's why nobody sings the Dells' version of "Higher and Higher.")

 
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mike buzzetti said:
Damn you guys are diggin into this song ! never knew about the Dells
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At least now, you can easily escape that beautiful but monotonous bass riff by
(a)changing the bass notes with the chord changes ("Hey, the bass player with Jackie's son is doing it"),
(b) adding lots of fills ("Just listen to James Jamerson's bass-line from a different song's version"),
(c) even mess up with the chord changes ("Have you heard the Dells' rendition and their chord changes of that song??? NO???").

P.S. I knew that name, Dell. I had a few Dell computers. :drool:
 
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