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Who has WARWICKS with non-MEC pickups?

so i finally took the dive....

I have a '99 Thumb 5 NT that had the stock MEC pups and pre...always a classy sound, never sounded BAD exactly....but I always felt like I wanted something just a little better. :crying: Sort of the same tone, but with all the good parts pulled to the fore a little more.

so....enter Basslines AJJ-1's and Aguilar OPB-3... :eyebrow:

SO MUCH better. :hyper: I do have to say that the total swapout of the MEC setup takes a bit of the original personality away, but I find (after two rehearsals and one gig) that what it's replaced with is far more usable, and far more versatile. The highs are way, way better (who puts their treble point at 10k?? nothing but twinkle past that high...the Aguilar is at 6.5k I believe, and much more usable), the lows are clearer, tighter, and more flexible. The MEC bass freq is 100hz, which adds bass but also a lot of muddy mids. I could never add more than a little before, because it would just cloud the sound, but now it's more a question of how much 40hz nutz do I want? Extreme amounts of - clean - raw power here. I'm not kidding. The midrange is also more flexible, as I have the 800/400hz switchable as a push/pull, with the default being 800hz like on the MECs (though I may reverse that). BTW the OPB-3 is VERY responsive - the boost means f-ing Boost, and the cut is also quite severe if you want it to be. A wide range of dB cut/boost equates to sensitive knobs. Small adjustment = noticeable difference = wide variety of tones available. The Duncan pickups are also very nice. It's a little hard to tell how much of the new sound they are providing, but having played the OBP-3 on other basses, I'd say opposed to Bartolini they are tighter and more neutral. More wood than warm (I love Barts, by the way - I totally dig those warm mids). In fact, they are VERY woody sounding, precisely what I had hoped to draw out of the existing sound of the bass. The Duncans are also even on all notes, no dead frequencies. :cool: Overall, the bass sounds much, much better. Louder ( :eek: ), clearer (this bass+Ashdown+Bergantino=hifi vintage heaven), punchier (NOW it slaps...hell, now it slaps me back), yet still undeniably a Thumb bass personality.

As a side note, let me mention that I have a Vol/Vol stack where the Vol/Blend used to be.... From what I understand, the V/V is the more pure way to go, as far as getting the best buffering on each pickup. However, in this particular model of bass, I think perhaps the variability of tone is best realized with the original Vol/Blend configuration, as a result of the very close spacing of the two pickups. I think instead of thinking Jazz bass Vol/Vol tone approach, one should perhaps think of a Thumb as having a super MusicMan pickup, with the coils spread farther apart, and the Blend knob replacing the coil tap switch. I just don't get that Jazz bass tone variability by blending the volume knobs as noticeably as I expected, so I think going ahead and letting the blend knob do the work might the true-er approach for the Thumb bass vibe.

All this is the final result of a few years' lusting and worrying about a pickup upgrade. I would like to say that if any of you are in Portland, OR, give Chance Walte at Fearless Guitars a try. He's new-ish in town, and has got a good thing going for us bass players. Very knowledgeable with a taste for the Good Stuff and an understanding for the Tone Quest. My favorite: highly personalized service. I had him perform the installation, after much playing of the store's basses with various pickup/preamp configs. I for one am totally down with supporting a fledgling high-end shop in my local area. :bassist:

Thanks for reading, y'all. Hope this helps anybody who might be considering/pondering/squirming over the same upgrade. :D
 
Maybe ask hotratz what he used, he now has a vol/vol stack, if you reread his post you'll see that. If I were replacing the preamp in mine I would probably talk to a local epairperson/tech taht I trust and go over the aguilar wiring diagrams with him until we came up with a feasible part.
A word of warning, I know that alexclaber replaced the mec pre in his 87 streamer with an aguilar and spoke of some difficulty with the german parts and american parts matching. This replacement is something I would definitely take to a trusted tech, but then I'm not too handy in the first place.
 
see, this is the problem.

it really should not be this hard. I don't need a tech. *I* am a tech. I need to find out if the obp3:

1. if the pots have the same shaft width as the warwick
2. where i find the 2 new stacked knobs for the vol/vol
3. if the old pots will work properly

and aguilar cannot even tell me the answer to these questions (or they don't feel like figuring it out).

I'm really dissapointed in this company actually. they were no help & wouldn't even point me in the right direction.

oh well, looks like I should probably spend my money on a preamp made by someone who actually knows how their product fits into popular basses.

SD & EMG etc all know EXACTLY how their products fit into most basses & are very helpful (i've installed their products in quite a few basses). strange quigular wouldn't help.
 
mactac said:
see, this is the problem.

it really should not be this hard. I don't need a tech. *I* am a tech. I need to find out if the obp3:

1. if the pots have the same shaft width as the warwick
2. where i find the 2 new stacked knobs for the vol/vol
3. if the old pots will work properly

and aguilar cannot even tell me the answer to these questions (or they don't feel like figuring it out).

I'm really dissapointed in this company actually. they were no help & wouldn't even point me in the right direction.

oh well, looks like I should probably spend my money on a preamp made by someone who actually knows how their product fits into popular basses.

SD & EMG etc all know EXACTLY how their products fit into most basses & are very helpful (i've installed their products in quite a few basses). strange quigular wouldn't help.

Contact Brian Ristola at bestbassgear.com
 
mactac said:
so how do you stack the vol/vol? can you buy the stack knobs from warwick? what about the pot?
When I did similar work on my thumb5, I bought stacked 250K/500K or stacked 25K pots depending on whether I was using passive or active pickups. It wasn't possible to reuse any of the old MEC pots.
where do you get the extra parts?

any of the usual suspects: stewmac.com, guitarpartsdepot.com, guitarelectronics.com, basspartsresource.com, allparts.com
 
Z-Bass said:
I also had the 3-band EMG preamp with sweepable mids...The pre-amp was okay, I found myself constantly making adjustments. I found it better to just EQ with my amp if necessary. If I had to do it again I would just replace with EMG pickups and no preamp (passive tone control).

I think that's the beauty of having on board tone controls. I have the two band EMG preamp. I set them flat, then set my amp for the sound I want, and then as I'm playing, I can vary my tone quite a bit between pickup selection and tone settings. I never touch my amp once I have things the way I want. I change my tone from song to song, and this works great.

You can use a passive tone control with the EMGs, but it doesn't do as much as you might think. It's very subtle, not at all like a passive tone control on a bass with passive pups.
 
FunkSlap89 said:
How would i replace the MEC in my Fortress Masterman? It looks like a stingray pickup, but its actually 2 seperate single coils. I couldn't just put a humbucker, because there's specific controls for each pickup.
I believe delano makes a pickup that will work for you. If I'm looking at the correct one my price sheet says that the USD MSRP is $196.
 
My Warwick Streamer has EMGs in it. It's really like hearing the sound in "high definition" while maintaining that classic Warwick growl. I played a few new warwicks in a local music store recently and they just sounded "undefined" compared to my old EMG streamer.
 
bannedwit said:
I am looking to possibly throw different J-pickups in my Warwick Thumb 4 bolt on...

My bass is from 2004 and has MEC active pickups installed...

My questions are: how much better are aftermarket pickups for Warwicks?

I still want that warwick sound and growl from it.
Will i lose it with different pickups or wil lit enhance it?

From there, I would get something active either
Basslines
or Bartolinis

I can get the pickups but what active pre-amp should I look for to install and what would my options be for Barts?

If Iwould go with Basslines, i know they have active pre-amps which I would go with...

Thanks in advance

Here is a clip of my Thumb Bolt-on w/Barts (passive p'ups but original pre).

http://www.lowtones.com/Misc/ThumbBartsMiddleBridgeNeck.mp3

Sounds like crap when I play it through my browser (I think I need to update Quicktime) but sounds just like it should when I use my mp3 player (Musicmatch Jukebox Plus).

I love the tone.

Many compliments have been given to me on my tone, whether being played through my Eden D210XLT, Bag End S15-CUS or Aguilar GS112 all using my GK700RBII head.

Barts RULE!!!!!!

:D

Joe.
 
Side note on the Basslines.

The main reason i got them was to thicken my tone and get pickups that were a hotter than the stock MEC pickups so I wouldn't need to change the volume when switching basses.
My other main bass is a Warwick Streamer Stage II and it is naturally loud, even with the stock MEC's (just better quality i guess with a better pre-amp from MEC)

Anyways, i was very disapointed because my Thumb got even quieter than the stock pickups...

Before my band went to recording a couple days ago, i threw new strings on and took that time to examine what the difference was between pickups.

My Basslines were too low, i knew that was an issue, but raising them any higher would cause the screws to become too loose and fall out or jingle... The stock MEC pickups were rectangular and were pretty much the same all around where the Basslines AJJ-1 pickup had a dip on the bottom and was NOT the same all around.
This meant that the springs under the pickups had more of a ways to go before they met resistance. THAT WAS WHAT CAUSED MY THUMB TO BECOME TOO QUIET.

I threw some foam padding to fill the underside of the Basslines pickups and re-inserted them into the bass....

The pickups are now sitting higher and completely fixed what my issue was....

NOW I AM SATISFIED!!!!
 
HotRatz said:
I would like to say that if any of you are in Portland, OR, give Chance Walte at Fearless Guitars a try. He's new-ish in town, and has got a good thing going for us bass players. Very knowledgeable with a taste for the Good Stuff and an understanding for the Tone Quest. My favorite: highly personalized service. I had him perform the installation, after much playing of the store's basses with various pickup/preamp configs. I for one am totally down with supporting a fledgling high-end shop in my local area. :bassist:

Sorry to be so late, but I second that! If you cant tell by my sig, all of my aquisitions will be through him. Heck, I am in TX, and he is Portland but that wont stop me. The dude knows his stuff better than anyone I have ever met. Period. Plus, he is totally about hooking people up with the right stuff for them. And, if need be, he can throw down on anything with strings.
 
I have a Warwick Jazzman and change the MEC pickups by Bassline, the first time.
Atfer somes mouth i replaced these by Delano pickup.

warwick2_ancien.jpg


I think this upgrade is very interesting, but i have also upgrade the preamp Seymour Duncan to use 18v and change somes components in the board to have best result. Now i can't upgrade this bass :p
 
I have nothing to contribute, but I must say I'm enjoying reading this thread. I've often wondered how my Corvette would sound with Aero or Villex pups and passive electronics. Though I wouldn't dare change its stock configuration. I love the bass to bits.

I've also heard it said that the MECs can sound wonderful when mated to a preamp other than the stock MEC one. I will agree that the stock MEC preamp can be harsh and peaky, which is why I always have my Corvette in bypass mode.
 
SpiderBass said:
I have a Warwick Jazzman and change the MEC pickups by Bassline, the first time.
Atfer somes mouth i replaced these by Delano pickup.

warwick2_ancien.jpg


I think this upgrade is very interesting, but i have also upgrade the preamp Seymour Duncan to use 18v and change somes components in the board to have best result. Now i can't upgrade this bass :p

Yo SPider, That bass sure is purty. I'm going to be ordering a streamer 1 soon and was thinking about about going with the natural color of the wood. I think that pic just convinced me. That axe has the shiny finish correct? Have you seen it without the shiny finish?

My 99 corvette came with the Basslines already installed when i purchased it used from Sam Ass. It had the stock mec electronics. Once I swapped it out with the OPB3 the bass turned into a completly different animal. It really opened up the sound and fatened things up quite a bit.