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Who is moving music forward today?

Hip-hop is not moving music forward it's only a genre. Hip hop, rap whatever you call it is a lot like county. Country's been country as long as dirts been brown. Same old thing.

Who(m) moved music:
'50s - Chuck Berry
'60s - Beatles, Hendrix and Elvis
'70s - Allman Brothers, King Crimson, Greatful Dead and Pink Floyd (cross over)
'80s - The Cure, Joy Division, The Clash
'90s - Nsync
'00s - Deadmau5, The Chemical Brothers, Cocteau Twins
'10s - Arcade Fire
I suspect you just don't like rap or country, because I think you're not looking closely enough at them. I'm not crazy about electronic music (with a few exceptions), but I certainly acknowledge that some of those artists have moved music forward.

On a related note, I noticed in your wacky list that the only U.S. artists you list since the '70s are DJs and a boy band.;)
 
This is a really interesting discussion. Is moving music *forward* the right question though? It seems like it goes back to an old-fashioned idea of progress. Isn't there a conception of music as experimental and exploratory? Where ideas are celebrated for their own merits, whatever they be? I remember reading an excellent essay by the Czech novelist Milan Kundera talking about paths one novelist or another took (I think it was Laurence Sterne's "Tristram Shandy"), but were never picked up by others - is an avenue proposed but never followed up unimportant? I think the opposite, I love these offshoots and tangents sometimes more than the mass culture for their singularity. I like this model better than an idea of progress.

But it sounds like we've been discussing some sense of 'best', or 'important' or 'inspirational' or something. I personally tried (but still fail) to rid myself of this a long time ago. I just got sick around college age of the need to tear down others' music. I mean, I don't think it's 'all relative', and I do think that Mozart is really, objectively better than say, Boyz II Men, and even that say, the Smiths are better and more important than Lady Gaga, but, who cares? Music serves so many purposes, fulfills so many needs, there are days when I want to listen to Kesha instead of Arcade Fire, so what? Frankly, most of the time people assume their own biases and prejudices are somehow in tune with what's objectively good and right (again, I'm not immune to this either).

On jazz and 'classical' (really now should be called academic music), it seems to me they are like poetry kind of - a formerly hugely important force which is now a small eddy of the river of our culture. Important, even essential, and groundbreaking often, and sometimes filtering into the mass culture, but an offshoot.

I agree with many of the people posited here as moving things forward but a few comments. First, to me the Parliament Funkadelic machine was so important and pathbreaking, the sonic adventurousness of the opening of "Flashlight" still takes my breath away, and "Cosmic Slop" undercut the argument that funk was just comedy and light. And...Bootsy?!? How much more important can a bass player be? Central to James Brown's band, PFunk and beyond. For me as a bassist, learning "Countracula" from his "The One Giveth..." record in the early 80's was completely eye- and ear-opening as to what could be achieved on the bass. Or this? Or try the bassline on "What so never the dance"???

P-Funk was also instrumental in Hip-hop, which to me is the most sonically groundbreaking music of the last 30 years. From Run-DMC, to Dr. Dre & co, to Jurassic 5, even DJ Shadow, hip hop has reveled in a the exploration of a different idea of sound, turning on two points: 1. The loop/sample - the idea of repetition seems limiting until you actually go out and listen to all that has been done with this, and same for 2. the voice/the rap, proving again that the human voice is the most expressive, inventive and limitless instrument there is.

I think, for lack of a better term, electronic music has shown itself to be hugely important and influential. I think there is a thread from minimalist composers through Eno, to Stereolab to Aphex Twin which has now pervaded the musical landscape.

What about country? Yes, its by nature a backwards looking genre, but sometimes looking back brings our back to forgotten roots (so says Jack White, no less). I nominate Willie Nelson - someone who moved country, and music, forwards in a backwards direction - if you know what I mean. Great zen bass (Bee Spears, i think) on "Willie Nelson & Family Live", a tremendous album.

Got more ta say, but run outta time!!

--Eric
 
I just feel that music is something quite organic in a sense that it moves in cycles, kind of spiraling back and forth. I love re-discovering old bands or, even better, discovering a new take on an old sound. That is why, IMHO, "moving forward" is not only an innovative or breakthrough new sound or technique.

And as Jimmy brought up, evolution is just a theory. DE-VOlution is a fact.
 
I just feel that music is something quite organic in a sense that it moves in cycles, kind of spiraling back and forth. I love re-discovering old bands or, even better, discovering a new take on an old sound. That is why, IMHO, "moving forward" is not only an innovative or breakthrough new sound or technique.

And as Jimmy brought up, evolution is just a theory. DE-VOlution is a fact.
We're all Devo.
 
I'm not going to touch the debate on what "forward" means, I just know what I like when I hear it. I think there's loads of exciting new music out there these days, made more discoverable and available thanks to the internet. I've discovered a lot of cool stuff because of this thread, and have mentioned a few of my recent favorites as well. Here's a couple more.

Portugal the Man
The Fall of Troy
 
I think a big part of the problem is that judging what has moved music "forward" is so VERY difficult to discuss in the present tense, due to the overpowering amount of "background noise" clouding our present perceptions...popular music, the gossip and drama of musicians' lifestyles, and so forth. Only in retrospect, sometimes measured in careers and decades, does the true advancement of new musical ideas and influences really become clear.

Look at the example of Miles Davis; "Kind of Blue" was a musical earthquake, and we are still feeling the aftershocks over fifty years later, and it was just one instance of how he pushed music in new directions many times during his career. He moved music "forward" for sure, and whatever other way he damn well pleased. Yet his accomplishments were often under-realized or even criticized during his lifetime, partly because his audience then was smaller (due to differences of technology and sociology) and partly due to his troubled lifestyle. In retrospect, we can separate Miles' music from other aspects of his life, and appreciate his musical ideas on their own merits.
 
Sunn O))) , i don´t like them but sure is an experience in music.

It´s a band based on 2 dudes and a big wall of amps that play too much loud and in a down tune with a really low tempo. It´s neither drone, neither ambient, noise or something concrete.

They try to accomplish some feeling in their shows, with all this wallsound pressing your chest so hard that even for some people is hard to breath.

There´s no music sometimes even to me, but i respect them for trying something different. I even add, sometimes i feel they´re making fun of people, but they do a living of it, hahaha.
 
Love the debate between Justin and Mayers!!!!! I can actually see valid points on both sides but I'll make one statement and ask Justin one question:

(Statement) Elvis died 40 years ago, and he's still known as the king of rock. People born twenty years after he died know who he is and know his music, therefore he undoudtedly moved music and music lovers! I don't particularly like him, and I agree that he didn't really write his material or invent the wheel, but his inflence is not really up for debate.

(Question for Justin) Just pushing the Michael Jacson debate one step further, you could very easy cut and paste everything I said about Elvis and change the name to MJ and it would apply so to say he had no impact would be ludicrous, but just to play devil's advocate and promote Mayers point for discussion sake, Off the Wall and Thriller were MJ's two most influential albums and it could be argued that it was Quincy Jones production that moved the music forward, not so much MJ.

Just a thought, I'm not passionate about Elvis or Micheal Jackson, don't really listen to either but I had to chip in!

I will be checking out the music reccomended on this thread by the masses!
 
Love the debate between Justin and Mayers!!!!! I can actually see valid points on both sides but I'll make one statement and ask Justin one question:

(Statement) Elvis died 40 years ago, and he's still known as the king of rock. People born twenty years after he died know who he is and know his music, therefore he undoudtedly moved music and music lovers! I don't particularly like him, and I agree that he didn't really write his material or invent the wheel, but his inflence is not really up for debate.

(Question for Justin) Just pushing the Michael Jacson debate one step further, you could very easy cut and paste everything I said about Elvis and change the name to MJ and it would apply so to say he had no impact would be ludicrous, but just to play devil's advocate and promote Mayers point for discussion sake, Off the Wall and Thriller were MJ's two most influential albums and it could be argued that it was Quincy Jones production that moved the music forward, not so much MJ.
q did his thing in his own way as a producer and big band leader. michael jackson did his thing a good 10-12 years before he started working with q. i would argue that the jackson 5's early stuff moved music more forward than his thriller type stuff.
 
I think Q was a HUGE part of it, I definitely agree. And I'd have to say yes to Jackson 5 as a whole package.

Agreed on Elvis. The only things I really adore are the comeback record, "Suspicious Minds", "In The Ghetto" and the like. That shiz is EPIC. But yes, it's basically not really debatable how far reaching his influence is.