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Who's Overrated? Who's Underrated?

I'd like to respectfully (hell, maybe not even respectfully) that:

-if Jaco's playing doesn't move you

-if Patitucci's playing (especially with the current Wayne Shorter Quarter) doesn't move you

-if Steve Swallow's playing doesn't move you

There's simply something wrong with your ears...

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I'd like to respectfully (hell, maybe not even respectfully) that:

-if Jaco's playing doesn't move you

-if Patitucci's playing (especially with the current Wayne Shorter Quarter) doesn't move you

-if Steve Swallow's playing doesn't move you

There's simply something wrong with your ears...

bigtiny

i'm only just now starting to understand the greatness of Jaco. I had listened to his stuff before but never really got it, and I wasnt that impressed. I'm still not THAT big of a jazz fan. I like some jazz, but it's not my favorite thing in the world. Now that I've given his stuff a second listen, I'm starting to understand more.
 
I won't go into overrated, that's too easy.

Underrated:

Pretty much every bass player in the 80s Alternative genre (New Wave).
Keyboards may have masked them a bit, but if you really listen to Simple Minds, The Fixx, Scritti Politti, Tears For Fears, Depeche Mode, Elvis Costello, Joe Jackson, etc... there's some amazing talent and very musical lines being played.

Bob DeLeo is also a beast. Great lines from him.
T-Bone Wolk.
The dude who played the lines for the Jackson 5 as well.
 
I won't go into overrated, that's too easy.

Underrated:

Pretty much every bass player in the 80s Alternative genre (New Wave).
Keyboards may have masked them a bit, but if you really listen to Simple Minds, The Fixx, Scritti Politti, Tears For Fears, Depeche Mode, Elvis Costello, Joe Jackson, etc... there's some amazing talent and very musical lines being played.

Bob DeLeo is also a beast. Great lines from him.
T-Bone Wolk.
The dude who played the lines for the Jackson 5 as well.

Bob Deleo is one of my faves. Very creative.
 
I'd like to add:

Norwood Fisher - playing in a band like Fishbone, especially in the original lineups when they played several genres per album, Norwood was smooth, and funky, and jumpy and a grinding monster all on the same album.

Jerry Peek - with Steve Morse on "Introduction" album for starters, where he could play such quick and dexterous lead guitar-like lines and still hold the bottom without missing a beat or leaving a thump in your sternum. And then notch back into a flowing and hammering rhythm.
 
I won't go into overrated, that's too easy.

Underrated: Pretty much every bass player in the 80s Alternative genre (New Wave). Keyboards may have masked them a bit, but if you really listen to Simple Minds, The Fixx, Scritti Politti, Tears For Fears, Depeche Mode, Elvis Costello, Joe Jackson, etc... there's some amazing talent and very musical lines being played.

Ditto!

Especially Derek Forbes from Simple Minds. His tone on their albums from 1980 to 1982 was so CHUNKY! Actually, they did an awesome job mixing the albums so the bass was actually pretty prominent on those early albums.

Unfortunately most people especially in the U.S. really only know Simple Minds from their huge hit from the Breakfast Club soundtrack (Don't You Forget About Me) from 1985, 8 years after they had been recording/playing and a song not even written by them. Their earlier stuff had a very distinctive sound and a lot of it was due to Derek Forbes unique playing.

Curt Smith from Tears for Fears was also a very talented bassist.

And I've mentioned these already but they can't be mentioned enough:

Andy Metcalfe, a name most of you probably may have never heard of, wrote some of the most melodic lines as bassist in Robyn Hitchcock and The Egyptians... he is VASTLY overlooked!

Ray Shulman, Gentle Giant.

Mike Rutherford, Genesis. Tony Banks' keyboards were really Genesis' foundation, always had been but Rutherford was integral to their sound and he was also very talented on both bass, and 12/6 string guitar, so much so that when Hackett left they never hired a replacement guitar player except for tours.

It's always "Chris Squire" (who I actually worship :) ), "Geddy Lee" (another hero of mine), hell, I even see Ray Shulman's name mentioned more, where are the Mike Rutherford fans???? :)

Overrated: Ok, I was a big early Metallica fan (lost them after that "Black" album), the best concert I've EVER been to to this day was a Metallica/Guns & Roses double headlining show at Giants STadium in I believe 1992, so I was a fan.

But I've never thought of Cliff Burton as one of the best bassists of all time. To be honest, his image, tall, long hair towering with his Ric is something that has stuck with me more than his playing

And maybe it's because I'm not a fan of Red Hot Chilli Peppers but I think Flea's overrated. Obviously he can play, and he's claimed his own space with his slap-happy funk playing within a rock band (they can get the funk out but come on, they've been alternative rock for a while) but his playing bores me. It always sounds like licks you'd hear in some "How To Slap" DvD. Just can't get into. But like I said, I'm not saying he can't play, he is talented but his playing doesn't move me. I like his film work though :D

And come on, Jaco???? Adam Clayton could play circles around him! :D
 
Not to go back and forth with this, but check it out...

Sure, it's a show. Sure, it's not meant to dazzle. Sure, he never claimed to be a technical wiz, HOWEVER...this is a guy who's been playing for over 30 years and in a showcase moment, this is the best he can do? It has nothing to do with liking or not liking KISS. Gene is ASTONISHINGLY untalented. And I think he knows it himself.


Well he's certainly mastered the use of space (and posing while he's at it) between playing :D
 
Well he's certainly mastered the use of space (and posing while he's at it) between playing :D


The point is, he wasnt TRYING to display technical know-how.

He could have done way better than that, and if you listen to any 1994 or post-2000 videos of him,you'll see that he improvises quite a bit live.
He's much more capable than what that video shows.


At about the 0:23 mark. I know it wasn't in weird time or anything, but I never could have just completely come up with that on the spot.

He's not the greatest ever, but to say he's ASTONISHINGLY untalented is beyond absurd.
 
+1 underated for Leon Wilkerson & Allen Woody, may they both rest in peace.
Another player no longer with us was Bob Sheehan from Blues Traveler. Go listen to "Live From The Fall"......

Finally, Billy Cox from Hendrix's Band of Gypsys. Enough said!!!