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Why all the Tal smack talk?

there a old saying "your attitude determines your altitude"

You know, maybe that's part of the reason that she keeps getting calls. I know that, around here, there are alot of negative personalities, who can really play, but no one wants to deal with.

I mean, I knew a drummer who would badmouth bandleaders---to the leader's management!! That never made any sense to me.
 
Hadrien Feraud for one..........he's what now, like 25 or 26???


She has the total package period.
She can play circles around about 99% of us here, AND she happens to be a woman, AND she's easy on the eyes, AND she's young.
Take out the young part for a second...now, how come this subject has NEVER (at least that I've seen) come up about Rhonda Smith????
Again:
She can play circles around about 99% of us here, AND she happens to be a woman, AND she's easy on the eyes.

She can play. Let's move on..........

Nobody said she didn't have talent. Let's not make straw man arguments. I know that some people mentioned Tal in relation to some young bassists of equal talent who weren't getting gigs of equal profile. I honestly think this argument has been run in the ground. She's got her gigs, other players have theirs.

As for Rhonda, I don't ever remember her getting the next big thing buzz that surrounds Tal. Rhonda was pretty much acknowledged as just another really good player.
 
Hadrien Feraud for one..........he's what now, like 25 or 26???


She has the total package period.
She can play circles around about 99% of us here, AND she happens to be a woman, AND she's easy on the eyes, AND she's young.
Take out the young part for a second...now, how come this subject has NEVER (at least that I've seen) come up about Rhonda Smith????
Again:
She can play circles around about 99% of us here, AND she happens to be a woman, AND she's easy on the eyes.

She can play. Let's move on..........
she seems to be enjoying the heck out of playing with beck and he seems to be enjoying the experience as well..........theres a lot to be said for working with people that can make it fun.......
 
Only in some circles. Rhonda's playing is so perfectly tasty... I've been nuts about her playing since note 1.

I'd pick her, Tal, and Meshell over most of the fellas out there when it comes to actual gig skills.

They might not be winning the bass-olympics, but these days it seems like flashy bass chops only interest other bass players- .01% of my preferred audience.

ps I have no problem talking about how fine Rhonda is...;)
 
I've mentioned this before in other threads: Never underestimate the value of being a great hang when getting gigs! ;)

Dude, I got hired for a nice little tour with a artist because of a hotel bar hang after a gig at a festival, The artist had never heard me play (his band did) but called me because he thought I was funny.
 
I rarely talk about what I do or have done on this forum because that's not why I participate and to be frank being on TB is not going to get me any gig's. I just love the bass and music and always want to learn more about it. The point that I was making was that the biggest difference about Tal's success is her gender, not the fact that she is young because many many people ,including myself, have had success at a young age. And as far as her playing with Wayne Krantz and the Allman brothers way before she met Vinnie or chick,I don't think that's accurate but i could be wrong.

The point i want to make is every few years a young person comes along and get's opportunity's with established artist,it's the nature of the game. The main difference now is with the level of media convergence,more people are going to find out about someone quicker.

I first saw Tal play in 2006 during the Allman Brother's run at the Beacon Theatre. Towards the end of the set, Oteil stepped off the stage and on came this young girl. No one in the audience knew who she was. Only later on I found out that it was a 19 year old Tal Wilkenfeld. She played with them for almost an hour and they even featured her playing a solo by herself for a few minutes and had the whole place going crazy. I was immediately a fan. I bought her album when it was released and loved the songs, the playing (Keith Carlock and Wayne Krantz are especially amazing on this album), and the overall feel on the album. Regarding the timeline I know she played with the Allman Brothers, Wayne Krantz, and Jeff "Tain" Watts before she met Vinnie, Chick and Jeff. Here's a wikipedia reference to confirm that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tal_Wilkenfeld

"In 2006, Wilkenfeld performed as a guest with the Allman Brothers Band, and recorded her debut solo album,Transformation, which was recorded over a period of two days when she was just 20 years old. Wilkenfeld composed, produced, arranged, and played bass on seven intricate tunes with Wayne Krantz, Geoffrey Keezer, Seamus Blake, and Keith Carlock."

Her work with Chick and Jeff was all from 2007 onwards. In any case, I'm really happy that Tal was brought to Jeff's attention (which I think may have been an introduction from Vinnie), because it seems like alot of people are only discovering her now, due to the Beck gig, even though she has been on the scene for a while.

Anyway, to be honest, I don't really care how she gets attention and whether or not she gets more attention because she's young or a girl. I know I'd still dig her playing just as much if she was an ugly 80 year old man. What I do find impressive is that despite her age and gender, she had only been playing 2 years when I saw her play with the Allman Brothers. She literally floored both the band and the crowd and they were obviously happy with her performance, because they asked her back to play with them at the Christmas Jam in 2008. So did Wayne Krantz on a tour, and so will many others. I think what we need to ask ourselves is "If you took a blindfold test and knew nothing about Tal Wilkenfeld, would you enjoy her playing?" I know its a matter of taste, but personally, I love her musicality, groove, sense of melody, and fresh approach to the bass. I think that's why this topic was started and I'd like to end it that way.
 
After hearing just a single clip of her all I can say is... I wish I'll get to even half her skill level in three years' time (if she's only been playing bass for six years, that is - and according to Wiki, it's true).

Flashy? Not really. Tasteful? Absolutely.
 
Some people are flashy, so what? Rhonda can be that way sometimes, again, so what, she still has the groove, pocket AND chops. For me Tal is a good player, nothing that I go gaga over, just good solid bass, not a phenomn. When I first heard and saw her play I was like, "COOL" a girl on bass and she can play! (haven't we all said that?) oh and, I LOVE flashy, so called "wanking" and chops as well as pocket grooving, and restraint, I love all folks.
 
Bottom line is Tal is getting the HIGH degree of publicity because she's young and female. She's a good young bassist, as are many others.
That doesn't take anything away from her, it's just the reality. More power to her if that's what she wants, I haven't met her so I don't know.
Jaco was never interviewed on a mainstream TV program when he first hit 'the scene', think about that for a moment......

I agree with this. I know several pro bassists that can play as well as her, but never gotten to play with the biggest names around. It takes a lot more than good playing to get into that position. I think however that if you want it enough, know what it takes to get there, and have the skills, talent and the right attitude, you can reach there.
 
You said (ala' Wooten style??) which implies a certain thing, Vail's point is that it isn't a style that Wooten created.


I think it implies that he's the one who's best known for it, nothing more. And, fact is, Wooten is best known for that.