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Why did the J never dethrone the P?

Which is one of the reasons 23 out of my 24 basses don't wear rounds...:cool:

I have no doubt that flats last a lot longer for you. Strings die because of hours of use, not strict calendar time. You have 23 (!!!) basses with flats on them - your time spent playing flats is spread among 23 basses. When you play rounds, it's always the same bass. If you played half your time on rounds (you probably don't, but let's play along), and rounds and flats lasted the same number of playing hours (they don't but again, play along), you'd expect to get 23 times the calendar time on a set of flats in your case. Depending on the portion of time you play rounds, etc, the math will change, but I think if you kept track of hours of use, you'd find the math isn't quite as lop sided as you think. I get a year (or more) out of set of rounds most of the time, and I play a lot, but with a few basses....the playing time gets spread around.

There are folks that do get many years out of a set of rounds - that's actually pretty typical amongst a big proportion of bass owners. Regular bass players change their strings, but folks that play bass now and then (including the guitarists that have a bass for a track here and there) tend not to - there are a lot of those folks around. I do get a few years out of a set of rounds on one bass - my fretless. As those strings are not banging on frets, they don't age nearly as fast, even though I play that bass a fair amount. The point is that, although people get a lot of years out of a set of flats, there are other things that skew sales numbers of rounds vs flats in the other direction.
 
But on topic there are 2609 instruments that come up when you search Precision Bass on reverb (25810 sold listings), 4102 Jazz basses (29032 sold), 591 Musicman basses (5066 sold), and 1 rebel bass (8 sold). I didn’t filter by brand, so many of the aftermarket basses should be somewhere in there. If we stick to fender, it’s 1947 (20441) and 2955 (22557) respectively.

Completely unscientific, useless, yet somehow intriguing information.

Yes, we can't access Fender's numbers, but there is a lot of anecdotal info that suggests that the P isn't the "dominating king" that some folks think it is - the answer is probably somewhere near parity, with maybe a slight edge to the J.
 
She did most of the work she is famous for on a PBass. But she also stated that the PBass has some inherent flaws to its design. She was instrumental in the design of the Gibson ( Grabber I think) , with the sliding pickup position. But says they could never get it quite right no matter where they placed the pickup.
Carol also recorded with and endorsed MusicMan StingRay when they first came on the market.
She has stuck with the Ibanez for quite a while. It probably is more comfortable to play, well constructed , and gives the sounds she wants. She still tapes the foam over the strings near the bridge and uses her picks and TI Flats.
This makes TWO things I didn't know about Carol Kaye. Both learned from this thread. Thank you!
 
I have no doubt that flats last a lot longer for you. Strings die because of hours of use, not strict calendar time. You have 23 (!!!) basses with flats on them - your time spent playing flats is spread among 23 basses. When you play rounds, it's always the same bass. If you played half your time on rounds (you probably don't, but let's play along), and rounds and flats lasted the same number of playing hours (they don't but again, play along), you'd expect to get 23 times the calendar time on a set of flats in your case. Depending on the portion of time you play rounds, etc, the math will change, but I think if you kept track of hours of use, you'd find the math isn't quite as lop sided as you think. I get a year (or more) out of set of rounds most of the time, and I play a lot, but with a few basses....the playing time gets spread around.

There are folks that do get many years out of a set of rounds - that's actually pretty typical amongst a big proportion of bass owners. Regular bass players change their strings, but folks that play bass now and then (including the guitarists that have a bass for a track here and there) tend not to - there are a lot of those folks around. I do get a few years out of a set of rounds on one bass - my fretless. As those strings are not banging on frets, they don't age nearly as fast, even though I play that bass a fair amount. The point is that, although people get a lot of years out of a set of flats, there are other things that skew sales numbers of rounds vs flats in the other direction.
I know what you're saying, and actually, I agree with you - pretty much. But, what you're referring to is my situation now. I didn't always have that many basses (I actually have 24 now; just bought a Hofner 500/2 Club Bass for Christmas - with flats ;)), and in the beginning, they didn't all wear flats. And some of my first basses - with rounds - got played a lot more than the one or two that wore flats. Even now, every bass I own gets rotated out, 2 at a time, and gets played for at least an hour every day for a month. And, yes, I do keep track of their string's actual playing time. As I said; round wounds - when there were basses that wore them - tended to last 12-14 months. The basses with flats? Their strings - with the one exception - haven't needed replacing - yet. The little EA-260's strings were more than 7 years old when I got it. I know the original owner very well; it was his only bass, and I know that he played the snot out of it. It was one of 3 basses that weren't rotated when I had it (my friend talked me out of it last year); it was out all the time. I didn't play it quite as much as he did, but I played it a lot. So, 13 years is pretty close to those string's actual playing time. I'm sure there are some people who can make rounds last a long, long time; just as I'm sure there are people who can play flats to death in very short order. But, I only know for sure how long different strings last - for me. When people say their rounds only last a month? I believe them. If they say that their flats last 15 years? I believe them, too. And, although flats are definitely easier on my wallet than rounds have been; and although flats are what I learned to play bass on, more years ago than I want to think about; those aren't the only reasons I prefer them. As I get older, the nerve damage from frostbite and constant vibration is getting worse; which means that trying to play rounds makes my fingers hurt like hell after a minute or so. That's the main reason I have so many basses with flats...:cool:
 
On paper, the Jazz has everything to dethrone the Precision as the most widely used type of bass, such as:
  • A faster, smaller and thinner neck that is most likely more comfortable for more people;
  • Two pickups for a wider range of tones, including a neck pickup that most of us couldn’t distinguish from a P’s when soloed in a blind test; and
  • Offset body that is more comfortable to play while sitting down.
So, why did the J never manage to dethrone the P in your opinion?

Because they are both lovely and a player should have one of each.

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I'd like to see a poll of recording studios worldwide regarding what they keep as a "house bass" (and what type of strings are currently on it while we're at it).

I'm curious what percentage of recording studios are still in business at this point - certainly a dying breed. If you poll 100 studios, 10 of them will probably be gone by the time you publish the data. I've had about 100 of my gigs posted on Youtube in the last couple of years, what about a third of those being virtual gigs (recordings pasted together from home recordings), and haven't seen the inside of a recording studio the whole time. All of my current "house basses" are 5 stringers with rounds (not a single Fender in the bunch), save one 4 string fretless (and yes, it has rounds).
 
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I'd like to see a poll of recording studios worldwide regarding what they keep as a "house bass" (and what type of strings are currently on it while we're at it).
The last studio I was in a few years ago has a P with old rounds as the house bass. At 606 (the Foo Fighters owned studio) they had a Jack Casady with a "Grohl's Bass" sticker on it. They probably had more basses there but I didn't notice.
 
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I'd like to see a poll of recording studios worldwide regarding what they keep as a "house bass" (and what type of strings are currently on it while we're at it).

No poll needed, I have been in over a dozen studios over the years and for various reasons. Every single one of them had a Precision somewhere nearby.

Doesn’t mean anything substantial or revealing. In fact, all of those P-basses needed work of some kind. It’s kinda like they are there for nostalgic decoration or validation of some kind. Which I don’t like, either. They should be set up and ready to play.
 
I'd like to see a poll of recording studios worldwide regarding what they keep as a "house bass" (and what type of strings are currently on it while we're at it).

Anecdotal but back in the mid 80's (when studios were still more of a thing...) I worked in one (Gateway - owned by Jim Messina - had Michael McDonald and others while I was there) and it had both a P and a J as house basses (the P was actually the same one Messina played in Buffalo Springfield and the J was an original stack knob - though stripped body). Was at several of the bigger Hollywood/LA studios then and they also had both. Was at Al Jardine's studio about half a dozen times and I think (can't swear) he had both along with a 60's Hofner. At Real World in the UK and that was Musicmans.
 
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