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Why did you stop compressing your live rig??

Do you use a compressor live or stopped using one??

  • Yes, I usually compress my live rig

    Votes: 112 65.1%
  • No, I stopped compressing my live rig (please explain)

    Votes: 60 34.9%

  • Total voters
    172
There is one thing that I believe has hindered many bassists from developing good dynamics. This is that our little Fender bassmans were not loud enough to effectively compete with the guitar amps. In the 60's, the bass amps had the same or less wattage than the guitar amps and we learned to play very hard. This was sort of a carry over from the string bass days, where good technique included getting as much volume as possible by playing hard. Now, we have suitable bass amps but there are many who have not been able to switch to a softer attack, they still play all out (as this was how they learned), and this is "their sound". Even with today's high powered amps, it can be difficult to get low notes to sound clear because the guitars and drums are so loud and cover such a large frequency range that it makes it difficult to do anything other than overload ones sense of hearing which reduces everything to mud. So while I agree whole heartedly with what Brad stated above about controlling your own dynamics, I also believe that there are many on this board who may not really be able to do that and be heard. There are still many with under powered amps who are already pushing their gear to the limit to just be heard at all and there are those who are competing with Marshall stacks and the like where they may have the power/volume to compete, but do not wish to start the volume wars that can plague so many rock bands. When I was playing jazz, motown, R&B, and the like, I had much more control of my dynamics. My main gig now is in a classic rock band, and it is much more difficult to maintain a workable headroom in this group.
 
Good point.

I was one of those people who came up playing hard but here's what I experienced. If I played too hard, whatever I was using would distort. When you mention inadequate equipment, I could've been the poster child for that. The first amplification I played through was the tube amp section of an old reel-to-reel tape deck:D. I learned to walk the dynamics tightrope early on.

BTW I didn't stop using compression on my live rig... I never really started.
 
Thats funny Brad....I also used and blew up a reel to reel when I first started playing. /o.k. back on topic....I never use/used compression, but people think I do use it...weird :eyebrow:
 
My first so-called amplification was from an old record cutting machine (78 rpm). But even long after that, with small bassmans (and less) I ended up not being well heard or heard and distorted. A lot of it is really sonic space rather than sheer volume. This is why I played around with compression trying to push the harmonics louder, but I soon discarded it as just being one extra thing to carry that hindered me in some respects while only helping the harmonics a bit anyway. It doesn't take much from a guitarist or even a keyboard player to totally engulf harmonics from the bass. If they play a thick chord in the same sonic space, the "cool" harmonic in the midst of a bass line loses its effect.
 
Turn you bass and amp up... the bass completely up, the amp maybe 25% louder than you normally would. If you're running an active bass, set the EQ flat. Passive, leave the tone control wide open.

Now play your bass quietly. Pick a song that you typically have to really work hard at playing, maybe one where you typically dig in hard... and work on getting it as whisper quiet as you can.

Interesting idea that I hadn't heard before, I will try it out . . .
 
Sure... here's a simple and possibly maddening way to start:

Turn you bass and amp up... the bass completely up, the amp maybe 25% louder than you normally would. If you're running an active bass, set the EQ flat. Passive, leave the tone control wide open.

Now play your bass quietly. Pick a song that you typically have to really work hard at playing, maybe one where you typically dig in hard... and work on getting it as whisper quiet as you can.

The fact is, grooving loud is relatively easy. Grooving quietly while maintaining intensity is a mother.

Try to keep in mind that this isn't about extremes... you don't have to play super light all the time. This'll probably sound corny but here's how I try to explain it: Play you bass as hard as you possibly can. Now don't play it at all. Between those two you have an almost infinite amount of dynamics at your fingertips. If you actually stick with it (because I can't stress enough that this will most likely not happen overnight) you might find that slap dynamics aren't anywhere near as uncontrollable as some seem to think. There are muting techniques for all occassions... stopping the strings is easily just as important as starting them vibrating IME.

An unfortunate side effect is that you'll probably find yourself being able to play much faster than before;)

I'll be more than happy to help with any questions for anyone who's interested... just remember this isn't a slap in the face to anyone else, it's just something that worked for me that might work for others.

I feel like Splinter;)... and maybe I've typed too much.
:bag:

Anyone try this?
 
I didn't use a compressor for about 20 years because the few times I did I thought they killed dynamics and sucked tone. But that was just either because it was a crappy one knob built in compressor or I just didn't really know how to use one properly.
Now I use a compressor all the time and I find I can play a lot more dynamically. I can see the input gain, gain reduction and output gain and I've watched the LEDs and listened closely with a variety of techniques to find what works best for me and my playing styles.
I have it set so it is just mildly compressing with a firm touch over the (P) pickup I can still dig in and the volume rises when I do but not so extreme as it would without compression. When I move near the bridge I still get that great mid punch and attack attack with a pick but without loosing the as much low end body you sometimes loose when heading toward the bridge.
Maybe if I had better technique I could go without a compressor, and I did for years but the one position it defiantly stands out is when I want to play a heavy dub/reggae bass line with my right hand over the neck. You can loose a lot of volume when you go from digging in over near the bridge to a light touch over the neck but if you are already compressing the digging in the light touch can sound so fat.
Basically I can stay present in the mix with a wide variety of playing styles and as for the dynamics, I can always touch the strings softer below the threshold
 
Normally the people I hear claim they don't need/want a compressor are the ones that need it the most (and just ignore how to use one -MOST bassists don't know what a compressor is meant for, some even claim it does nothing as it doesn't change timbre, go figure out-). You always need a compressor on bass (or a preamp that compresses, most of the ones that allow for some crunchy drive these days do). The assumption that you lose dynamics is relative while the claim that you lose "expression" is totally wrong. I mean we all normally pluck harder in that certain passage we want the bass to "shine". With proper compression (not extremely squashy or unnatural of course) you might not sound louder in terms of plain "voltage measurement", yet the TIMBRE of the bass changes a lot from a soft to a harder picking/plucking, becomes more middy the more you dig, so perceived volume/presence/cutting power is definitely increased, resulting in that "starring role" bass moment you need. There's your expression and (altho' not electrical, still psycho acoustical) dynamics.
 
04 to 2016.....:woot:is this a record?
I never used one from the start. Tried a few decent ones in the last few years but find I don't need one. ...... and so. ...I still don't use em.
I dunno if my using all tube amps has anything to do with it. ... but. ..no. don't use, don't miss & don't need.
I actually still have my Aggy TLC & drag it out sometimes. ...use it for a touch of slap comp...
Again tho. .... I still find I don't really need it. ..so mostly don't bother.
 
I have to laugh at the stigma surrounding compression among bassists. I even hear some of the big guys bad mouthing compression. That's particularlly funny cuz when you listen to their recordings or see them live they're obviously using it copious amounts of it. Admitedly, higher end compression is more transparent than the bargin stuff you find in a pedal or multi-effect box - but the concepts are the same.

People like to boast how they can use technique alone to avoid using compression but totally ignore that Compression is an awesome sound shaping tool. Put a little fast attack quick release 8 to 1 on your fretless and tell me you don't have a cool effect going on. Let's take the stigma off compression that's it's some kind of crutch. Stigmatizing techniques and effects is a crutch. Being open to using various tools to create pleasing and interesting sound is what's needed. If you don't like the sound - don't use it. Compression is the most foundational production effect in existence. Even Jazz and Classic music is recorded with it.

I ALWAYS use compression to some degree for various purposes. Bottom line - Proper compression with proper technique is EXACLTY what pros do - regardless of what they spout off in Bass magazine interviews.
I have a friend in Seattle that has been running Karaoke for a living for decades. One time about 8 years ago he took me to his rack at a club where he was "permanently" wired in and said, "This is my secret vocalist saver", and showed me his Behringer two channel compressor.

I consider vocal compression in live situations a requirement.

And I joined a band a few months ago in which I'll be doing a major amount of lead vocals. They said they don't believe in using compression on vocals.

My Digitech Vocal Live FX unit arrived from sweetwater yesterday. If I use nothing else on it, I will use the compressor. With all the stuff from Free, Credence and other groups that I sing, It's crazy to not use a compressor.

I.e. I strongly acree that Compression is the most foundational production effect in existence. Heck, I'm a fan of old time radio shows. Talk about effective compression!
 
I have a friend in Seattle that has been running Karaoke for a living for decades. One time about 8 years ago he took me to his rack at a club where he was "permanently" wired in and said, "This is my secret vocalist saver", and showed me his Behringer two channel compressor.

I consider vocal compression in live situations a requirement.

And I joined a band a few months ago in which I'll be doing a major amount of lead vocals. They said they don't believe in using compression on vocals.

My Digitech Vocal Live FX unit arrived from sweetwater yesterday. If I use nothing else on it, I will use the compressor. With all the stuff from Free, Credence and other groups that I sing, It's crazy to not use a compressor.

I.e. I strongly acree that Compression is the most foundational production effect in existence. Heck, I'm a fan of old time radio shows. Talk about effective compression!
You and I are going to end up agreeing on a lot!

The best part of the Mic Mechanic that I use is the compression.

On bass, I always use compression, until this weekend. Just redid my pedal board and pulled my multi effects unit out, and haven't had a chance to pick up a MXR yet. I'm planning to use the tube simulator in the Hartke Bass Attack pedal to squeeze the signal until I can get one.
 
You and I are going to end up agreeing on a lot!

The best part of the Mic Mechanic that I use is the compression.

On bass, I always use compression, until this weekend. Just redid my pedal board and pulled my multi effects unit out, and haven't had a chance to pick up a MXR yet. I'm planning to use the tube simulator in the Hartke Bass Attack pedal to squeeze the signal until I can get one.
The only bass effects I have is a Boss GT6B, which I have not gigged with in over 5 years. I would "compress" via the level control on my old amp and now that I have the BBE Bmax connected to the Crown XLS amp, I just use the compressor there, and very sparingly.

But for vocals, I do too much screaming coupled with soft vocals to NOT use it.
 
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I've never used one live,playing mostly pick and fingerstyle. I seldom slap and pop,but even then exercise enough control that i don't feel the need for one. I did realize when i started playing fretless that i liked using the limiter function on my ART Phat boy's compressor,but that's about it.
 
I use compression for everything. Either a distressor hooked in to a SVT-2 Pro or just a SansAmp Bass DI into the distressor for recording.

Live I sometimes use just an old TLA tube preamp/compressor that has an instrument input going to the board with IEMs.

I guess you could say sometimes I only use a compressor.