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Why do the session legends all use P basses? (SBL Video Discussion)

Imagine a sound engineer who could only make a Stratocaster work in the mix. And if anyone turned up with a Tele or a Les Paul or something... "Oh dear... How are we gonna fix that in the mix? Why can't you just play a Strat like all the other guys do?"

Now, how long would that engineer stay in business?

I totally agree but it doesn't really take much effort to make a guitar work in a mix. Making a bass "sit" can be a lot more challenging. A good engineer should be able to make any decent bass work but a P-bass is just so easy to work with. No surprises, even just straight to DI with no processing will give a solid, reliable and predictable sound. And that's important for a session player.
 
Haven't looked at the video but my first, instant thought was a flashback to every studio I ever walked into during the late '70's and early '80's. There was ALWAYS an old P bass sitting around in that studio. They were everywhere, they did the job, and engineers knew what was going to come out of them, which made things easy. I don't know what this guy has to say about it, but the sheer volume of units sold and their early ubiquitousness in the mass market is what I'm going with.

Now, does that make it the right tool for every job? Nope. I don't own one, I've never owned one, the closest I come is two non-Fender P/Js that I own. I picked up more than one of those studio Ps and put them right down again. Wasn't the right tool for me. Those guitars are probably worth five figures today, but I like my Jazz style necks. Go figure.
 
Geddy Lee, Joe Osborne, Adam Clayton, Verdine White, Marcus Miller, Victor Bailey, Larry Graham, John Paul Jones, Will Lee..... oh wait, they're all Jazz players.
Exactly!! Louis Johnson , my favorite player did most of his session work on MusicMan Stingrays and Sabres.

Let us not forget the great Carol Kaye who was one of the greatest sessions players ever. She was one of the players along with Jamerson that put the Pbass on the map. She went from Pbass with flats to an active HH Ibanez.
And speaking of Jamerson, his refusal to switch from Pbass with flats to more modern basses is was led to him not working in his post Motown era.
 
Geddy Lee, Joe Osborne, Adam Clayton, Verdine White, Marcus Miller, Victor Bailey, Larry Graham, John Paul Jones, Will Lee..... oh wait, they're all Jazz players.

David Hood made his way into 70+ top hits with a single J bass and accidental Ampeg amp, whose 50% of speakers did not work... They just recorded the one, which did work. That's the funniest thing I have heard abouit recording (beside recording Keith Richards' guitar)...
 
I brought enough for everyone...we may be here for a while.

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Wait. You mean the P is popular with many recording engineers? wow, that’s a revelation. :rollno:

Secondly, what’s all this fake posting about non P players being “butt hurt?” That’s pretty much just tribal nastiness looking for division where none exists. Take it someplace else. If you don’t understand how we got Alembic; for example, why those are built the way they are, and what they do; then go do a little more reading. They are NOT just a bunch of Ethan Allen eye candy.

Basses are tools. They are fun tools. But, they ultimately produce no more or less than what the player creates. Learn to play well. Know the traditions. Use the bass that gets the job done.

BTW, many studio bass players take more than one bass to the studio, even if they end up using one more than others. The drama in the video over “gee, I showed up with my one active bass, and the engineers didn’t like it,” seems somewhat staged. Yawn.
 
Geddy Lee, Joe Osborne, Adam Clayton, Verdine White, Marcus Miller, Victor Bailey, Larry Graham, John Paul Jones, Will Lee..... oh wait, they're all Jazz players.
Geddy Lee started out with the P-Bass on the entire first LP....
(although "Before and After" sure sounds like a Ric)
He didn't use a Jazz Bass until 1980's Permanent Waves LP...
Used it for 1981's Moving Pictures LP and 1982's Signals LP and toured with it through that year.
It was in mothballs until 1994 and then it was used for the rest of the way...
 
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You have to try to see things from the perspective of the producer and/or engineer - they're producing songs, not just bass lines. This is why they're called "producers". Their task is to take abstract vision - "the melody is upbeat, while lyrics have a darker undertone", "we want to retain some of the grit and energy of the demo, but more polished", etc. - and execute all the concrete steps needed to make the end product. AND this needs to be done within the constraints of money and/or time. Even if you've got a Beyonce budget, you're managing every minute because you've got a release date target to hit, plus you've got other projects scheduled, etc.

Also realize that all music is massively self-referential. Even when something comes along that's new and different, a careful analysis almost always shows that the novelty is more about an unusual combination of elements from the past. Knowing how to create various familiar elements precisely and efficiently equals a producer with a very full work calendar.

So..... you're a producer. Unless the song is going to prominently feature a very specific bass sound, you just need something that you know will serve the overall sound well. It helps a lot if you've got a bass sound that is flexible and that you are familiar with - i.e. you know that if you find in mixing that a deeper, dubbier sound would be nice, you can boost at, say, ~220hz with a medium Q - you don't have to go searching for tones. Which is good, 'cause you've still got 23 other tracks on this song to dial in, and 6 more songs in this project, and the release date coincides with the world tour announcement....................

So yeah, these guys often want a P bass. A lot of times, they even want a specific P bass that they've recorded before. Not because they think it's the alpha and omega of ultimate bass tone, but because they know it will work, because they know exactly how to make it work even if there's a fairly drastic change in vision during mixing a month down the road.
 
Imagine a sound engineer who could only make a Stratocaster work in the mix. And if anyone turned up with a Tele or a Les Paul or something... "Oh dear... How are we gonna fix that in the mix? Why can't you just play a Strat like all the other guys do?"

Now, how long would that engineer stay in business?

If he makes that strat sound great really quickly so it saves time and therefore money, I'd think he stays in business indefinitely. Practicality comes first.
 
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If you're a session musician and they're telling you to get a certain sound/tone and you can't with the bass you brought, then guess who isn't going to be called back for another session? So if that's your gig, you need to be fine with people telling you what instrument to play, otherwise your bills aren't going to get paid.

But that's the thing, I'm not a session player nor are most of us on TB. If I depended on music to put food on the table and a P bass would help do that then I absolutely would play one. But when this "everyone needs a P bass" business extends to us hobbyists that's when I think it gets a bit silly.
 
I also find it funny, how again, those who dont play or like P basses will list examples of players who dont play P basses. There're plenty of people out there who don't, but just because you are feverishly typing "Geddy Lee" doesn't meant that a lot of producers and engineers may want a P bass on a certain track. Right or wrong, be it myth, legend, what they're used to using sonically, or whatever, if that's what they want and they're footing the bill (or someone else is footing the bill and allowing them to make the decisions) and you're the hired gun, you'll either do what they want, or not get the gig.

There's a difference between what you play at your weekend bar gig or for your local band nobody will probably ever hear in that budget studio or something that's recorded in a friend's basement and Top 40 pop tunes that get millions of listens, regardless if you like thematic or not. I personally don't dig that type of music, but I'll willing to admit that if there's tool that's been working for a bunch of different styles of music, and even if it's not used on EVERY record, it's arguably used on the majority of them, or at least more than most other non-P basses combined.

For what it's worth, I used to work at the Hit Factory and Right Track Recording in NYC in the late 90's and I probably saw more P basses than another type of bass. And at Right Track we had a B-15's in each room. Those session guys would roll in, and immediately be ready to go. If they weren't, you'd probably never see that person again the studio. I dare you to be the guy who's going argue with Phil Ramone (RIP) about what bass you're going play on a track when there's also 40+ string musicians out there getting paid scale/double scale, Shawn Pelton's in the drum booth ready to go, etc.
 
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