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Why I can't join a band

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Why Don't You/Yes But

The first such game theorized was "Why don't you/Yes, but" in which one player (White) would pose a problem as if seeking help, and the other player(s) (Black) would offer solutions (the "Why don't you?" suggestion). This game was noticed as many patients played it in therapy and psychiatry sessions, and inspired Berne to identify other interpersonal "games".

White would point out a flaw in every Black player's solution (the "Yes, but" response), until they all gave up in frustration. For example, if someone's life script was "to be hurt many times, and suffer and make others feel bad when I die" a game of "Why Don't You, Yes But" might proceed as follows:

White: I wish I could lose some weight.
Black: Why don't you join a gym?
White: Yes but, I can't afford the payments for a gym.
Black: Why don't you speed walk around your block after you get home from work?
White: Yes but, I don't dare walk alone in my neighborhood after dark.
Black: Why don't you take the stairs at work instead of the elevator?
White: Yes but, after my knee surgery, it hurts too much to walk that many flights of stairs.
Black: Why don't you change your diet?
White: Yes but, my stomach is sensitive and I can tolerate only certain foods.

"Why Don't You, Yes But" can proceed indefinitely, with any number of players in the Black role, until Black's imagination is exhausted, and she can think of no other solutions. At this point, White "wins" by having stumped Black. After a silent pause following Black's final suggestion, the game is often brought to a formal end by a third role, Green, who makes a comment such as, "It just goes to show how difficult it is to lose weight."

The secondary gain for White was that he could claim to have justified his problem as insoluble and thus avoid the hard work of internal change; and for Black, to either feel the frustrated martyr ("I was only trying to help") or a superior being, disrespected ("the patient was uncooperative").

Superficially, this game can resemble Adult to Adult interaction (people seeking information or advice), but more often, according to Berne, the game is played by White's helpless Child, and Black's lecturing Parent ego states.
 
So, let me get this straight.

Because I am unwilling to work between 4pm on Saturday and 4pm on Sunday...I am somehow a loser and a sloth that refuses to work?

I'm not really following that logic. I have never worked at a job full of people that were available to work every moment of every hour of every day. In fact, nearly everyone I know has restrictions on when they can work. Yet if I have any restrictions whatsoever...I'm a loser?

Well, I guess I'm a loser, then.
 
Why Don't You/Yes But

The first such game theorized was "Why don't you/Yes, but" in which one player (White) would pose a problem as if seeking help, and the other player(s) (Black) would offer solutions (the "Why don't you?" suggestion). This game was noticed as many patients played it in therapy and psychiatry sessions, and inspired Berne to identify other interpersonal "games".

White would point out a flaw in every Black player's solution (the "Yes, but" response), until they all gave up in frustration. For example, if someone's life script was "to be hurt many times, and suffer and make others feel bad when I die" a game of "Why Don't You, Yes But" might proceed as follows:

White: I wish I could lose some weight.
Black: Why don't you join a gym?
White: Yes but, I can't afford the payments for a gym.
Black: Why don't you speed walk around your block after you get home from work?
White: Yes but, I don't dare walk alone in my neighborhood after dark.
Black: Why don't you take the stairs at work instead of the elevator?
White: Yes but, after my knee surgery, it hurts too much to walk that many flights of stairs.
Black: Why don't you change your diet?
White: Yes but, my stomach is sensitive and I can tolerate only certain foods.

"Why Don't You, Yes But" can proceed indefinitely, with any number of players in the Black role, until Black's imagination is exhausted, and she can think of no other solutions. At this point, White "wins" by having stumped Black. After a silent pause following Black's final suggestion, the game is often brought to a formal end by a third role, Green, who makes a comment such as, "It just goes to show how difficult it is to lose weight."

The secondary gain for White was that he could claim to have justified his problem as insoluble and thus avoid the hard work of internal change; and for Black, to either feel the frustrated martyr ("I was only trying to help") or a superior being, disrespected ("the patient was uncooperative").

Superficially, this game can resemble Adult to Adult interaction (people seeking information or advice), but more often, according to Berne, the game is played by White's helpless Child, and Black's lecturing Parent ego states.

Well played, sir. Somebody went to college. I'd make that a signature but threads would become overtly long when I got in a posting flurry.
 
Well, I'd like to get into the IT field.

I know how to take a computer apart and put it back together. I know how to install an operating system, remove viruses, upgrade, update, troubleshoot, etc, etc. So I think it would be a good fit for me.

But, every IT job I've ever looked has required a 4-year degree. So I'm working on that. Next month I'm taking a math class at my local community college.

Dude welcome to the real world. Can you afford community college type stuff? If a 4-year degree is needed (most companies) then I would say that's your priority. Then part-time work. Do the bass thing in your spare time, but focus on the important stuff.

Look into learning IT more than what you described. PC building is cool but no longer very difficult (for years). Programming apps that people will buy (like a bassfinder app, or bandfinder app)... things like that.
 
King Razor:
first, I am somewhat surprised the moderators have let this thread run, since religious threads are taboo here.

second: I am truely amazed how many non-christians on here know exactly "what Jesus would do". I am also amused that the moderators allow Christian beliefs to be ridiculed, but don't allow bad-mouthing of other lifestyles.

third: I personally have given up jobs that interfered with my church attendance.

fourth: right now, I have the best job I have ever had, and I am playing more than ever. I would guess I log more playing time than most on this forum - just a guess mind you. And I never play where alcohol is served. Though I would gladly take any one of the Christian bands I am in to such an event.

fifth: count this time as a time of preparation for greater things to come.


Im sure you have already tattle tailed but its not about religion at all. Its about making excuses and putting obstacles in front of your life that stop you from progressing into adulthood. I repeat "ITS NOT ABOUT RELIGION".

And to the OP, youre not a loser. Youre just stuck in a very immature phase in your life. The fact that youre playing on the computer when you should be out working is evidence enough.
 
No your a sloth because your looking for excuses not to get a job.

Do you really think spending 10 hours mixing sound for a church band does more good for the community than stimulating the economy or getting yourself off the assistance of others? If you feel you have to be doing "God's work" why not get a regular job and volunteer when you have free time? If it happens to be helping out at a senior's center on a Wednesday is it any less god's will?
 
Dude welcome to the real world. Can you afford community college type stuff? If a 4-year degree is needed (most companies) then I would say that's your priority. Then part-time work. Do the bass thing in your spare time, but focus on the important stuff.

Look into learning IT more than what you described. PC building is cool but no longer very difficult (for years). Programming apps that people will buy (like a bassfinder app, or bandfinder app)... things like that.

I plan on attending a 4 year institute once I've satisfied the prerequisites. Have to take a few math classes and get my GPA up a bit.
 
Here's how I started at church: Start your own band.

1. Find a teenager for drums
2. Borrow a hi hat and snare from big church or a drummer you know
3. Get a lady singer
4. Get your bass with the 8-inch speaker amp
5. Learn these four songs (How Great is Our God, Forever, I Am Free, Fields of Grace)
6. Walk over to the youth pastor and say, "We can play these four songs to the Kindergarteners."
7. Show up when he tells you

Go to my facebook page below to see the band I now manage as a result.
 
So, let me get this straight.

Because I am unwilling to work between 4pm on Saturday and 4pm on Sunday...I am somehow a loser and a sloth that refuses to work?

I'm not really following that logic. I have never worked at a job full of people that were available to work every moment of every hour of every day. In fact, nearly everyone I know has restrictions on when they can work. Yet if I have any restrictions whatsoever...I'm a loser?

Well, I guess I'm a loser, then.

No, Stating that until you find a job that you want AND pays more then you are making on unemployment makes you a loser and a sloth.

You are 22 not 16.
 
No your a sloth because your looking for excuses not to get a job.

Do you really think spending 10 hours mixing sound for a church band does more good for the community than stimulating the economy or getting yourself off the assistance of others? If you feel you have to be doing "God's work" why not get a regular job and volunteer when you have free time? If it happens to be helping out at a senior's center on a Wednesday is it any less god's will?

The thought "what is better for the community?" never really entered my mind. I'm not really concerned about that. I just want to fulfill God's plan for my life. Part of that was getting involved at my local church. And I did that.

There's a passage in Matthew.
25 “Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing? 26 Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? 27 Which of you by worrying can add one cubit to his stature?
28 “So why do you worry about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; 29 and yet I say to you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?
31 “Therefore do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.
 
I plan on attending a 4 year institute once I've satisfied the prerequisites. Have to take a few math classes and get my GPA up a bit.

OK dude. You are getting some tough love here (I hope that's what the guys intending). Seems like you got derailed in the past and need to work yourself back.

I can only offer you moral support. Work on your priorities (math classes, gpa up, college degree) and finding a job to be financially less dependent on mom and unemployment.

One piece of advice. You don't appear overly qualified for many jobs that you're looking at. Therefore, aim lower.
 
OK dude. You are getting some tough love here (I hope that's what the guys intending). Seems like you got derailed in the past and need to work yourself back.

I can only offer you moral support. Work on your priorities (math classes, gpa up, college degree) and finding a job to be financially less dependent on mom and unemployment.

One piece of advice. You don't appear overly qualified for many jobs that you're looking at. Therefore, aim lower.

I've only applied for jobs I'm qualified for. I haven't applied for any IT positions because I don't qualify for them. That's just what I'd like to do in the future as a career. Right now I'm just looking for a job that will pay better than unemployment.
 
8.29 posts per day on talkbass
Only plays root notes (read: doesnt practice)
0 Gigs
0 Car
0 Job
0 $
0 Education
I'm guessing no ladies other than Mom?

Look at this list OP. You can do something about this. Not God, Not Mom and Not your friendly tax paying Americans who are feeding and clothing you, Just you. The only way it can get worse than this is if your post total increases or you play with a pick.
 
I did start college right out of high school, but it didn't go well.

Didn't know what I was going to do, failed a few classes, wasted money, then lost a job, gained a job, it was all a royal mess. I wish I could go back in time and fix it all. But you can't change the past, unfortunately.

Now i don't really know you personally but ill assume that you are a fellow brother in Christ, get ready for this it! First of all as a follower of Christ myself it bothers me to no end when i see that the devout followers of Christ are the ones getting the low grades in school (i was like that too at first) and some times are lackadaisical workers but l when you look at the scriptures it says that the believer should be the hardest worker and to do your job as if you were doing it for Christ (I assume that means school as well). Christ (carpenter) and the apostles were not lazy they were hard workers. Paul for instances was a tent builder and he would refuse to take money from churches to fulfill his needs.
Also church should not be first in your life, it should be Christ (there is a difference). Chris said that we should provide for our family first, so it is your responsibility to get a job (which you wont get if you keep putting schedule restrictions). I lost my job once and even though i was entitled to receive unemployment checks i would feel ashamed to depend on them (took me 5 months to get a good job again). I was just like you, i was in church (God is my witness) 6 days a week. I would not listen to secular music (i was taught it was a sin) and i would not play with secular bands. But i started to study the bible on my own and i learn that many of the things i was taught were man made commandments. I then decided to play with secular bands and my playing improved (playing with professional musicians accelerates your learning).
Looking back i was a little annoyed at my leaders because i feel like i wasted some of my years with unbiblical self imposed restrictions (although i am ultimately responsible for not thinking for myself). I am still very devout i congregate weekly and on Fridays my family and 5 other families get together to sing and study scriptures (very edifying services). Ultimately no one can change your mind it is something that you must learn on your own.
 
With more than all due respect, finding a band should not be your priority. Being in a band is difficult even in good circumstances. Please do your local musicians a favor, and let them find a bassist with an amp, some talent and a positive attitude.
 
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