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Why so much hate for slap??

Read the whole thread. I apologise for the pious tone of this post, but it's got me a bit miffed. No hate for the OP.

TBH, some of the posts have the stank of the straight up asinine about them. I do respect the thoughts of all who've posted and their right to have them. But seriously, are we really still at a level where we feel the need to apply our variable opinions to the concrete subject of technique? And it is concrete... fact. The thread did asked WHY people hate slap, but that seems to have devolved essentially into "slap is for people who can't play bass" while we pat each other on the back for our great insight and wisdom. Wouldn't "Explain why you disagree with this bassists use of slap here in genuine musical terms" be more appropriate? Should we start a "bass is for people that can't play guitar" hate-thread to prove the pointlessness of this? Or perhaps even a finger style hate-thread? XD XD XD IMO Only solid unbiased info regarding a technique, it's execution and individual approaches belongs here if we're going to rap about it at all IMHO. I believe the only subject we should be discussing here is the technique itself, not opinions on it's relative merits/musicality. Shouldn't this kind of thread go in General Discussion anyway? Additionally, why are we trying to decide where exactly slap is acceptable/unacceptable, when it's impossible to say?! The answer is infinitely variable isn't it? Surely we see that? I reckon it's not even relevant for us to say whether or not we like the technique, nobody's views will be so drastically altered by our answers so as to change their minds, just as I suspect nobody's views will be altered by this post.

Sry, I just think that this kind of thing gets us nowhere as musicians and bassists.

Anyway... ahem... rant over.
 
Agreed. Why do we have to hate anything? All techniques and musical styles are legitimate. Whether you like the music/style or not. Seems every quarter or so some sort of anti slap thread pops up and frankly I’m sick of it. No other technique gets so much disdain. There’s music I don’t like but I have no need to proclaim it!

To the OP, I know your intention was not to have this thread go in the direction it went but you have to know that any mention of slap bass brings out the worst in Talkbass. Without fail.
 
Why do so many hate slap?
Because there's always someone who doesn't like it when others don't do what they do.
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It's almost impossible to play anything from the 70's & 80's without
using slap...so why all the hate?? I get that some folks try to apply it
to everything, which slap really isn't meant for everything...but it does
have legitimate playing uses!

So is it a case of folks hating on it because it's really best for Disco/Motown,
and should never be used elsewhere?? Or just a general slap hate as a whole??

It should be a tool in every bassists arsenal, to my way of thinking.
Not the only tool, just one of several screwdrivers... ;)

this is bait

name one real classic motown tune where they slapped

jamerson outright refused to slap, and babbitt did not slap i don’t think either

slap can be good and not overly self indulgent, listen to steely dan’s kid charlemagne or peg

nobody likes a slap happy bassist tho, play for the song
 
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It's almost impossible to play anything from the 70's & 80's without
using slap...so why all the hate?? I get that some folks try to apply it
to everything, which slap really isn't meant for everything...but it does
have legitimate playing uses!

So is it a case of folks hating on it because it's really best for Disco/Motown,
and should never be used elsewhere?? Or just a general slap hate as a whole??

It should be a tool in every bassists arsenal, to my way of thinking.
Not the only tool, just one of several screwdrivers... ;)
I love hearing someone play slap well. I personally am very limited at it and never took the time to discipline myself and learn the slap patterns. Also, the styles I have played really didn't call for slap to be included. Slap doesn't fit in everything but when you have a solo spot and you tear it up slapping, people are indeed impressed. Wish I had learned it better.
 
*To me* it should be a tool for tightening the groove. If you are playing w/o percussion, it is a great way to substitute for drums and lay down the rythm. If you have a drummer, you need to be playing *with* him, not trying to "out-percuss" him.

I like the toolbox comments because more than 5 seconds of double-thumbing and speed triplets at a time is mindnumbing to listen to.

Are you looking to impress people or make their bodies move? That's the question to flavor how you play... At least that's what I ask myself...
 
Just listen to Victor Wooten in the three minutes of this interview? Does he *want* to solo all the time?


No he does not.

I don't get to gig much anymore but my favorite moments weren't the "hey look at me do something cool on bass!" it was when I got literally lost in the groove of a song and don't come up for air until it's over (I never did any substances, I know it may be hard to believe after that last comment lol)
 
I don't get to gig much anymore but my favorite moments weren't the "hey look at me do something cool on bass!" it was when I got literally lost in the groove of a song and don't come up for air until it's over (I never did any substances, I know it may be hard to believe after that last comment lol)
That's me. You just described me. :)

I actually feel uncomfortable soloing. I prefer to being a driving force behind making the whole group sound better and, more specifically, cause people to enjoy the music more. That's why I don't play lead guitar.
 
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