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Why the hate on EHX?

It's ok to dislike something. No?
Its TOTALLY OK to not like something, but Ive come across a number of people saying things like "ANYTHING but EHX". There are definitely pedals I dont like, but I dont usually say "Id never buy ANYTHING they make". Well... there is small builder that is extremely shady with customers that I wont support, and one that is a egotistical troll who I wont support but thats kinda different maybe...

Is this one of those create an issue where none exist kinda " thangs" ?

Maybe Ive just run across one too many people singling out EHX in posts that it stuck in my mind. Like I said, Im not trying to encourage a "bash EHX thread" because Ive REALLY liked some of their stuff and I think the range of stuff they offer, both widely usable and niche weird effects, is awesome.
 
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Total non-equivalence with medical machinery. EHX does Research and Design in house for the products that they have manufactured for sale, as opposed to a medical device where a manufacturer (and then hospital) licenses a patent from a designer or someone else who bought that design.
Medical innovation will always occur because of precisely what you mentioned- it is a huge-money industry and highly-regulated (unlike much of the technology industry where cloning is rampant).
The issue with EHX is exactly the kind of thing that will stifle innovation in the MI industry, because R+D and innovation are some of the main things setting the name brands apart from the plethora of cheap Chinese cloners (“innovation”, or lack thereof, puts Fender and Gibson in a different class for the most part from a company like EHX). In EHX’s case, a company literally lifted the entire digital algorithm of one of their pedals to undersell them (with the EHX signature code still intact). If another company can get away with such blatant theft of hard work and design, what possible motivation could there be to invest in future R+D? Its not like EHX has gone after any of the hundreds of pedal makers building Muff derivatives or anything- they simply saw an opportunity to draw a line in the sand and try to set a new precedent at a time when digital code is becoming their bread and butter and is much easier to copy but also to compare quantitatively in court (at their own cost, because filing and arguing a lawsuit is not cheap).
Interesting because I’ve been working in the OR for many years and the only innovation I see in surgery is actually driven by war. Total joint systems like much of the other stuff we use have been the same for decades. If it’s not a patent issue it’s a big corporation like Johnson and Johnson buying out all their competition. The only thing I really see changing and improving is robotic surgery. And despite all the BS they feed the public about robotic surgery the entire point of it was so that a surgeon could operate on a wounded soldier remotely from the opposite side of the planet.
 
EHX has been around in one form or another long before they specialized in pedals. Some of their braintrust made it into the custom recording consoles that dotted the New York City studio landscape in the 60s and 70s.

Perhaps their optimism led them to some hard times at one point, but they've been making great products lately.
 
Interesting because I’ve been working in the OR for many years and the only innovation I see in surgery is actually driven by war. Total joint systems like much of the other stuff we use have been the same for decades. If it’s not a patent issue it’s a big corporation like Johnson and Johnson buying out all their competition. The only thing I really see changing and improving is robotic surgery. And despite all the BS they feed the public about robotic surgery the entire point of it was so that a surgeon could operate on a wounded soldier remotely from the opposite side of the planet.
I can't speak to surgery you're right (I was more thinking of pharmaceutical innovation), and if it isn't happening there it is undoubtably because of money in some way. I just don't see that lack of innovation really has to do with the cost of equipment at all, which is more driven by demand and the price that companies can get for that equipment. And yeah the consolidation of medical industry into mega-corporations as with any other industry is not good for consumers no matter what, because then they can stifle competition and set prices arbitrarily. I also hear you on the "war motivates medical innovation" part- I remember reading an article about that very thing called "Faces of War", and more recently a book called "Aftermath: Remnants of War" that reminded me of it about how most modern surgical work is still derived from work doctors in the early 20th century figured out on the fly amidst the terrible casualties of WWI and WWII, as human capacity and innovation towards destruction always seems many steps beyond human capacity for repair/compassion.

Still not sure how it applies to the EHX business model.

Either way- thanks for your work! I was working towards becoming a nurse a decade or so ago and decided ultimately it wasn't for me, but I've many friends that work (or have worked) in hospitals/ERs and it is of course incredibly important work for all of us.
 
I can't speak to surgery you're right (I was more thinking of pharmaceutical innovation), and if it isn't happening there it is undoubtably because of money in some way. I just don't see that lack of innovation really has to do with the cost of equipment at all, which is more driven by demand and the price that companies can get for that equipment. And yeah the consolidation of medical industry into mega-corporations as with any other industry is not good for consumers no matter what, because then they can stifle competition and set prices arbitrarily. I also hear you on the "war motivates medical innovation" part- I remember reading an article about that very thing called "Faces of War", and more recently a book called "Aftermath: Remnants of War" that reminded me of it about how most modern surgical work is still derived from work doctors in the early 20th century figured out on the fly amidst the terrible casualties of WWI and WWII, as human capacity and innovation towards destruction always seems many steps beyond human capacity for repair/compassion.

Still not sure how it applies to the EHX business model.

Either way- thanks for your work! I was working towards becoming a nurse a decade or so ago and decided ultimately it wasn't for me, but I've many friends that work (or have worked) in hospitals/ERs and it is of course incredibly important work for all of us.
Thank you, it’s rewarding work and I don’t mean money wise(wish it was money wise lol)

yeah I don’t know much about pharmaceuticals other than the stuff we use in the OR. I can definitely say there is some shady stuff going on. For example they’ll take anesthesia meds off the market when they become affordable. So they are actually stopping production of drugs that have proven to work so they can drive up prices on the newest thing.
 
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Ive owned a ton of pedals over the years so here's what I've noticed about the few from EHX.
Some have been noisy, and the lack of paint makes them look/feel cheap. Most are curiously lightweight compared to other companies, and they tend to use those larger, cheap plastic knobs.
Though the lack of paint and weight dont impact performance, they dont make you feel like you bought something nice either.
For example, staring at an MXR Carbon Copy makes you wonder what else would look awesome with that sweet finish, while staring at an EXH pedal makes you think about blank plates that electricians put over an outlet box... because it looks exactly the same... because its just a sticker on a cheap metal box.

Which is fine, but certainly doesnt add a value proposition.
So for me, personally. I don't look at EHX often because I can see how many shortcuts theyve taken on the outside, so I assume theyve taken some on the inside.

Of course this all excludes a 70's V3 Big Muff which I very badly want to own lol
 
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I don't hate EHX, but I've been through a few of their pedals and I never seem to stick with them.

Sounds that weren't as good as advertised, reliability issues, weird power requirements, unnecessarily oversized casings...I just moved on to better options, IMO.
 
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Its TOTALLY OK to not like something, but Ive come across a number of people saying things like "ANYTHING but EHX". There are definitely pedals I dont like, but I dont usually say "Id never buy ANYTHING they make". Well... there is small builder that is extremely shady with customers that I wont support, and one that is a egotistical troll who I wont support but thats kinda different maybe...



Maybe Ive just run across one too many people singling out EHX in posts that it stuck in my mind. Like I said, Im not trying to encourage a "bash EHX thread" because Ive REALLY liked some of their stuff and I think the range of stuff they offer, both widely usable and niche weird effects, is awesome.

I agree. I don't mine someone disliking anything. And can even appreciate why something didn't work for them
when they explain what happened.

I have issues with folks when they say anyone who uses X, Y, Z are stupid or, dumb when you don't agree with them. Or keep repeating their objection over and over throughout the thread after they have stated it once or twice.