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Why the hate towards lined fretless?

Can you imagine lines on this instrument? Well, neither can I. ;)

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Despite the fact that both of my fretless basses are unlined, I have no issue with lined fingerboards. Would love to have one. Think of the benefits of having a fiver in fretted, lined fretless, and unlined fretless in the same scale length. That could only benefit your playing, IMHO. :)

M. M.
 
Can you imagine lines on this instrument? Well, neither can I. ;)

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Despite the fact that both of my fretless basses are unlined, I have no issue with lined fingerboards. Would love to have one. Think of the benefits of having a fiver in fretted, lined fretless, and unlined fretless in the same scale length. That could only benefit your playing, IMHO. :)

M. M.
That's beautiful!! :eek:
 
Do you play with your bass fairly low? I ask because I'm (literally) legally blind and can still see them, but I also play with my bass pretty high up. If it was hung lower, I probably couldn't.

Perhaps lower than you, but my vision is poor, and I am typically backing vocalists who have the light. I tried a friend's lined fretless Jazz and lined Skyline 55-01 a few times. They were fine, but I couldn't see the lines very well—or much at all really.

I play upright and unlined fretless, so my only real interest in the Jazz and Skyline were to try different sounding basses. I used a '71 fretless P-bass as my main gigging bass for five years—and from time to time gig a lot on upright. I was classically trained, so I guess that seeing the lines never really mattered to me.

Heck I can't really see the side position markers very well, either. I usually don't wear my "short range" glasses when I play, and if I wear any glasses, it is my "driving glasses (prescription sunglasses)," so I can see Cues from other players.

I honestly can't see very well up close without a lot of correction. While I am not legally blind, I am 63, and find I can't manage bifocals. In addition, I have mild cataracts, which are really a problem when there is a combination of darkness and glare from stage lights.

So, my observation that I "can't see the lines, why bother with them," comes from an upright/fretless player who can't see the lines. Probably not relevant to many players.

However, I teach double bass to kids, and find that they do just fine without lines, too, and their eyes are quite sharp. :D
 
Hell yes! :)

If everyone followed the rules, we wouldn't have most of the great songs out there we all love!

The Beatles, YES, Genesis etc. etc. etc. surely didn't play by the rules when they wrote and recorded their great music!

Breaking the rules is half the fun of music creation in my opinion. I have a pretty decent musical education, but I much prefer the seat of your pants approach to writing and playing.

MUCH MORE FUN! :D

EXACTLY!!!!!
 
No hate here.

Other than noodling at my desk, I pretty much always have charts in front of me. Since I'm reading, and not looking at my FB, lines are irrelevant and unnecessary.
When I want a position check, or a more visual interaction, I'll use the side markers as a reference. Again, no need for lines.
And, from a purely aesthetic POV, I just prefer an unmarked, naked slab of ebony.

But yeah.... must be snobbery and ignorance. :rollno:
 
I prefer lines that are slightly raised and made of metal.

+1

I play the fretless Valenti or upright when that's what is asked for, but really prefer my fretted Jazz or P/J. It's less tiring and I really have more freedom to take chances.
 
boy this thread is typical of many conversations on the internet... be it politics, religion, basses

The vast majority of the people are in the middle. Lined fretless is fine, unlined is fine, but I like X better because of X.

Then the extreme wingers come in and try and make it a hatefest trying to make EVERYONE that likes either side polar opposites and using antagonistic descriptions of the other side..... good grief.

Quit starting pity parties bemoaning how you or your favorite type of instrument, strap length, wearing of sunglasses, fretless/fretted, neck width, single coil or humbucker, or new or old, roadworn vs shiny... etc etc is picked on by X group of people... it rarely accomplishes more than getting people arguing.
 
It seems like every time (well not every time) I see some topic about fretless, as soon as a lined fretless enters the thread, people seem to think it inferior to unlined or make it seem not as good. Why is that? Am I missing something here?

Those people who complain about lines have crappy intonation, even on a bass with lines. At least on a blank fingerboard they have an excuse.

:D
 
No hate here, just personal preferences. I've had a number of fretless basses over the years. A couple of which were lined, but the rest were unlined. In the case of the instruments with lines, I found myself depending on them a little too much. And I got the feeling that I had to make more intonation adjustments on those basses than on my unlined fretless basses. That's what works for me. YMMV.

FWIW, I think that every bass player who plays fretless will be making minute intonation adjustments while they play. I've even seen statements like that from players like Steve Bailey. It's just something that the instrument demands.
 
boy this thread is typical of many conversations on the internet... be it politics, religion, basses

The vast majority of the people are in the middle. Lined fretless is fine, unlined is fine, but I like X better because of X.

Then the extreme wingers come in and try and make it a hatefest trying to make EVERYONE that likes either side polar opposites and using antagonistic descriptions of the other side..... good grief.

Quit starting pity parties bemoaning how you or your favorite type of instrument, strap length, wearing of sunglasses, fretless/fretted, neck width, single coil or humbucker, or new or old, roadworn vs shiny... etc etc is picked on by X group of people... it rarely accomplishes more than getting people arguing.


This post wins the internet.