Basic awareness of social trends?
As in mass or cattle herd behavior? "Vox populi, vox Dei" ?
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Will 2020 be the year without music?
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As in mass or cattle herd behavior? "Vox populi, vox Dei" ?
Yes, unfortunately.As in mass or cattle herd behavior? "Vox populi, vox Dei" ?
I doubt it will have a special place in history book.
Thé black plague isn’t talked about that much outside that it inspired Henry Purcell to write Dido and Aeneas
Thé black plague isn’t talked about that much outside that it inspired Henry Purcell to write Dido and Aeneas
Yes, unfortunately.
Disagree. I see it more along the lines of something Euripides said: "Whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad."
But so it goes. People like what they like. I'm good with that even if I don't agree with them.
Im doing a recording right now... each of us with a Daw and put our take on the thing.
creating music is still happening but I guess for people of the old school it may be hard time
creating music is still happening but I guess for people of the old school it may be hard time
I was saying in other threads about how people can make money through streaming themselves playing video games on Twitch, so I wonder if there is or will be a live-streaming platform for musicians, like Twitch is for gamers.
TANGENT: If there is any dinosaur that in danger of being damn near completely wiped out because of this pandemic, it's movie theaters. Those have already been dying a slow death anyway. People are going to movies less and less because they're getting too expensive. The up-charge on concessions is beyond ridiculous and I don't know how well the seats have been cleaned/disinfected before I sit in them. Movie theaters skeeve me out. I'll wait till a movie I'm interested in streams and watch from the comfort of my own home. Plus, we're slowly seeing new movies simultaneously in the theaters and streaming.
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I think the downfall of opera, and classical in general, had more to do with changes in tastes as the working classes started to have more disposable income. Opera, and orchestral music in general, doesn't appeal to the average Joe or Jane. It is very high brow, requires a lot of people's attention, and with opera frequently isn't in English. By the point we are at today, these styles of music are extremely antiquated and simply don't grab an audience. Just as electronic music is edging out rock music today, 4-5 piece guitar/bass/drum bands edged out classical and then big band 50-70 years ago.
Agreed. I rarely go to the movies any more. More so because there is only one or two movies a year that I even want to see. I used to make a big event of going to see the Star Wars movies, but now those are over.
I really hate people piling on "the media" about stuff, but the movie industry really has pooped the bed in my opinion. They are just remaking stuff that doesn't need to be remade, making sequels no one asked for, and throwing out worthless garbage.
Best movie I saw last year was Marriage Story on Netflix. I urge anyone with Netflix to watch that film, because it is excellent.
While Hollywood churns out the same formulaic drivel, it's the streaming platforms that are making more interesting original content.
While Hollywood churns out the same formulaic drivel, it's the streaming platforms that are making more interesting original content.
My near-geriatric punk friend was saying, last night that people are trying to make drive-in gigs a thing as a means to isolate but stil attend gigs.
I, for one, can't wait to see the mosh pit.
I, for one, can't wait to see the mosh pit.
All my gigs in the near future have been revoked (repealed?). Still practicing for my own amusement and to keep skills up. My dog Gracie is right there and seems to enjoy it.
4.5 million looked to Chris Martin's live stream the other day. It was just him playing acoustic in his house. And John Legend got 3m views of his instagram live stream of him just singing and playing piano.
Streaming is where it's at. so much of that going on it's crazy, people are hungry for it. Been doing it a bit, it's working out great. As far as the music industry becoming something that is in the hands of the independent, and having reach? Well, that happened already. Bandcamp was insane yesterday. The label I run has been having a sale on our digital discography, and people have been incredibly generous. Things will clamp back down, sure, but I predict when we can commune again it's going to be off the chain.
Live streams are easy for the audience. It will likely continue to be a growing way to watch one's favorite artists.
For me, a live stream is hardly different than dropping in a DVD or ancient VHS of a band except they are performing often without an audience.
Not the same experience.
Live music while watching and listening in the actual same geographical location cannot be replaced.
Funny you should mention that; I do have some recollection of the missiles of October, but it didn’t really impact me, maybe the teachers just avoided/downplayed the subject. We had plenty of drills, but it was for tornados, which should tell you what part of the country I grew up in. All that “duck and cover” stuff had subsided by then, way before my time. I can tell you which lunchroom table I was sitting at on November 22, though. However, I think you’re a bit oversold on the “voice of a generation’s discontent” connected with the music explosion of that period. After the Beatles hit, for about 2-3 years, even though the hair and clothes changed, it was still Gidget-A-Go-Go in youth culture. Sure, you had a few older college types(technically the tail end of the ‘silent generation’)all over Dylan from the hootenanny era, but little Susie Creamcheese teenybopper didn’t care(but they liked that Byrds song). I hate to say it, but Barry McGuire left more of an impression than Bob, as far as most kids were concerned, and EOD was still taken as sonething of a novelty/parody song. Vietnam, which of course was the focal point of all the angst, didn’t really start to impact/ramp up until around late ‘65/early ‘66(yes, I watched the Ken Burns thing, weird nostalgia). All the while, the youthquake/music business was then in overdrive. In Middle America, the war didn’t register with the kids I knew until you heard about somebody’s big brother or older cousin coming home in a casket, as things moved into ‘67. Only until late ‘67 into ‘68 did all hell break loose, by then the record business was huge, and the hidden messages and protest became commonplace. That was my reality.You paint with too broad a brush. People are people. And we've lived staring into the face of unexpected danger of annihilation before. And we'll do so again.
Anytime you say there's no comparison to anything in the past you need to look at history a little more. I grew up during the height of the Cold War under the very real threat of annihilation. I was doing nuclear attack drills when I was in the second grade during the Cuban Missile Crisis while we were all fully expecting the Big One to drop at any moment. After an experience like that at such an early age not much seems to be anywhere that big a deal to me anymore. Everything else that followed seemed like just another hassle to get through.
Also the music boom of the 60s was fueled by far more than numbers. It was a unifying voice for a growing wave of civil discontent. If you're not aware of that then I'm guessing you didn't live through the era. And if you did live through that era and still think that then I'd guess wherever you were living was pretty far outside the mainstream.
BTW, the Great Depression of 1929 was caused by loss of public confidence and fear. Consider: The consumers were still there. The demand for product was still there. The willingness to go to work was still there. The dollars were still circulating in the banking system. The factories and stores were still there. The materials were still there. There was no physical real world reason why everything had to come to a virtual standstill other than that borrowers and lenders decided their problems were everyone else's problems and decided to circle their wagons to protect their dubious investments. It was a paper crisis - not a physical one. The Great Depression and Stock Market Crash is a study in human stupidity and belief in largely imaginary problems. The underlying reality was, and remained, solid throughout. Had it been otherwise it would have been the start of a second centuries long Dark Age and the good ol' USA and the rest of the world wouldn't have emerged from it as quickly as it did.
As far as Wall Street is concerned, it doesn’t matter what triggers a crash, it occurs, and people get hurt. The lessons learned from ‘29 instigated changes and safeguards being put into place, and in spite of attempts to do away with some of those safeguards(and the ones put in after ‘08), they have so far kept the market from crapping the bed(so far). But ‘29 was a ‘panic’, and it seems like that’s what happened last week. Greed then, uncertainty/volatility now, but it’s certainly nothing to ignore. I learned all about ‘29 from people who lived in the aftermath, my parents and grandparents. People weren’t allowed to work, but for different reasons.
What they call the 60s is an amalgam of Vietnam protests, the civil rights movement, acid fuelled rejection of social norms and a growing awareness of the hole the military/industrial complex was digging for the world. Teenyboppers and Carnaby street were sideshows. Many older people were fearful that these strands were one amorphous mass intent on destruction of the world as they knew it. And reacted as fearful people often do.
People within the various movements also felt under seige. And identified as a wider youth culture. Which is where music became a generational thing. As opposed to just a teenage fad. Bob Dylan was pretty much done by the time he became the voice of his generation.
I can't think of any other time or place where music was such a huge social identifier.
Oh I agree. My my original point isn't that live stream is better than concerts.
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