^^^^^^ what he said.
Wireless are usefull if you do backflips , if you are an actor or an acrobat in a circus or if you play on 100 foot and up stages.
For everything else , it's a waist of money.
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Wireless Problems
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Wireless are usefull if you do backflips , if you are an actor or an acrobat in a circus or if you play on 100 foot and up stages.
For everything else , it's a waist of money.
wirelesses are great! i used to use a stage 55 and thought it was good at the time. i once saw bela fleck and the flecktones and victor wooten was using the stage 33, which is the earlier model, and he sounded great. so did bela. all this nonsense about sound quality is nitpicking.
but these x2 wirelesses are in another league for clarity and sound quality. i could never use the samsons anymore after these x2's.
but these x2 wirelesses are in another league for clarity and sound quality. i could never use the samsons anymore after these x2's.
I agree, I'd be the first to say that I'm nitpicking! I'm so anal about my tone.
I think these sound teriffic! Still different than a cable in an A/B test, though, IMO. So far, my new G30 is working really well, but I don't have a gig for a couple of weeks yet to get real world stage experience. I'm hoping it'll work out better for me than the original X2 I had a few years back.
i still use my original x2's, the cheap one that now costs next to nothing. and i'll use them till they fall apart. i honestly can't tell a difference between them and a cable.I agree, I'd be the first to say that I'm nitpicking! I'm so anal about my tone.
I wish I couldn't either. I'm starting to feel like the odd man out here.
I'm pretty sure I don't have any better ears than the next guy, but to me there's a definite audible difference from the first note. The trade-off is worth it to me for those gigs with the bigger stages. I'll be keeping my cables around for any stage I don't have to move around on though. My findings have been consistent with the X2, EW172, G30, and G50 units I've tried. I don't know why I'm the only one hearing the difference. 
I agree, I'd be the first to say that I'm nitpicking! I'm so anal about my tone.
The G series uses the exact same A/D chip and related circuitry in the transmitter so in theory it should sound nearly identical to the X2. But the 'cable tone' thing on the reciever might help you dial down the 'zing' to match a cable.
People on passive instruments will notice the most difference in tone from wired to wireless. Thats just a given since you're losing out on all that (as I like to put it) 'interaction' with the preamp and cable... I don't know anyone that can pass the A/B test when an active bass is used, they (canare cable and G30/50/X2 wireless) sound close enough to make the outcome of the A/B test just about random..
Sorta' true. My basses are active (Spectors) and, although I could here the difference from an actual cable (the wireless sounded brighter), I could not hear a difference with either cable "setting" engaged on the receiver. My guitarist, who was evaluating a matching unit, had the same results I did. He has both active and passive guitars.
I'm an X2 guy and while the electronics and sound performance have been excellent, I've had plenty of problems with the hardware (cables, connections, the clip, etc.). It is all solvable, but it took some work to get it all right.
I played out with a wireless for the first time yesterday at church. The guys running the main board don't have a ton of sound experience (but they are learning). I wanted to try wireless because I run back there occasionally to help them out and that disrupted rehearsals. I also wanted to hear how I was sounding in the house mix compared with my amp on stage.You're right! I could think of no other reason for going wireless. None.
So there are two ways in which, at least for me, wireless proved quite useful. But wait, there's more... I also switch back and forth between a Carvin 5 string (now with the wireless) and a WAV4 EUB, and the wireless brought two more unexpected benefits.
#1) The gain setting on the transmitter made it easy to get the volume on my Carvin roughly equivalent to the WAV4. While I probably won't use it that way, it's nice to have that option.
#2) With the transmitter firmly attached to the strap, switching basses between songs (taking off the Carvin and putting it on the stand, then hitting an A/B switch and a different GT10B patch) is less hazardous - there's no cable to trip over or get yanked out.
While I'll still be keeping a good ol' fashioned 1/4" cable ready to swap in at a moment's noticed, I actually found the wireless to be a practical tool in my setup. And besides all that, freedom to roam a bit without worrying about getting tangled up is kinda nice...
Haha! My statement above was a sarcastic response to the message that I had quoted. No need to sell me on the benefits of wireless!
I love not having a wire! And I could think of many reasons just like the ones you posted to go wireless.
okcrum
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Gio is as full of crap as you are on this issue... Wireless units are used PLENTY by professional musicians performing live - maybe even more frequently than cables, in many genres...
Besides using a wireless to be able to check your own sound when running sound from the stage, or even to check on a soundman you're unfamiliar with, another common use of wireless units is so that in a typical 2 guitar rock band, the guitarists and bassist can cross the stage without getting all tangled up... Also, it's VERY common to use wireless units for performing on big stages...
Furthermore, alot of people use wireless units for IEMs - but to hear you two blather, they wouldn't be any good for such an application... Too bad neither of you are dealing with real world situations, and instead choose to spread misinformation...
- georgestrings
I wish I couldn't either. I'm starting to feel like the odd man out here.
Honestly, I don't hear a difference either, but I will say this much: and difference YOU *might* hear will be insignificant during a live performance on stage... Once a drummer and guitarist start playing, I highly doubt you'd be able to tell any difference - and the audience certainly can't, even if they cared about it....
- georgestrings
OK, so if it's inaudible, then it really doesn't matter, right???
- georgestrings
This exact thing happened to me and my guitar player just a couple of weeks ago on a stage in front of probably 500 people. I went rockin over with him on his side, then he ran over to rock with one of the vocalists on my side... When he ran back I was trying to make him go behind me so he wouldn't tangle the cords, but it ain't easy to make that happen. We spent the next 3 songs trying not to tug on each other's cord until we could find second to unwind. It was bad...
That's when I decided to research wireless units and found the G30 to be realistically pefect for my needs.
This exact thing happened to me and my guitar player just a couple of weeks ago on a stage in front of probably 500 people. I went rockin over with him on his side, then he ran over to rock with one of the vocalists on my side... When he ran back I was trying to make him go behind me so he wouldn't tangle the cords, but it ain't easy to make that happen. We spent the next 3 songs trying not to tug on each other's cord until we could find second to unwind. It was bad...
That's when I decided to research wireless units and found the G30 to be realistically pefect for my needs.
Yeah, I mostly play in high energy hard rock and metal bands - our crowds expect us to move around ALOT... I can totally see what you described happening - especially if 2 guitars, a bass, and a singer are all cabled...
I've been gigging my XDR-95 for over 2 years now, and unless I join a blues band, I won't be going back to being cabled...
- georgestrings
Right! That's exactly what I was saying. I just wanted to clear up the "delay issue" that was presented because some guy back in the thread got more than he deserved when he said there was delay. He was right that, yes, there is delay, however, he was wrong in that it poses a "problem" since it is inaudible to the human ear.
Totally agree!! Even knowing there is difference there, even I probably wouldn't be able to hear it as soon as another instrument starts playing. But, me, being a detailed-oriented kinda guy (I'm in IT afterall!
) felt the need to add my two cents in the cable vs. wireless discussion, especially since my observations were not in parallel with the general consensus.
