The Broughton duo has to be a killer setup! Tube goodness with a preamp the has that much control is rare!
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Worship Bass Pedalboards
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Tell me more about the Transmisser... I've looked at it so many times, but always held back for reasons unknown..
It's great fun; big swirly ambient pads etc. but it's just filling a hole on my church board for now.
I've got a bit of a thing for reverbs I suppose.
jacoby75
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The conversation begins and ends with, "Omnicabsim." Or if you REALLY wanted to mix things up, you could get the new mini Omnicabsim.
In that you don't want the omnicab or you're not interested in cab sim/impulse type stuff.
Why?
If not an OCSD, then how about a HPF? microThumpinator is my choice, as well as the Broughton.
So this may just be my ignorance showing here, but isn't hpf/lpf something that can be done from the board, and if so wouldn't I want to give my sound guy a signal that was more robust for him to dumb down? I feel like when I'm on stage with in-ears, I really have no idea how boomy the bass is or isn't so I'd be scared to squash the bass too much...
While in theory - yes you will "lose" some low end - but you'll actually GAIN low end right back, because he can then add to the lows and low mids without having too much low end energy. Most Analog Mixers have their HPFs set too high to be useful with a bass instrument.
In practice - a sugnal processed through a HPF is a VERY good thing! If I am going to the subs, I can send them a much cleaner signal to deal with. My HPF is set at 30 Hz, with a steep rolloff. Most bass cabinets have a steep rolloff at those lower bass frequencies. In a mix, what is often more important than trying to push subsonic lows is to push lows and lower mids. A HPF cleans up that subsonic stuff that pushes your amp harder, and allows it to more efficiently reproduce the stuff that matters, and that your cabinet can more efficiently handle. SO, either way, PA or Amp, it is a good thing.
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It's honestly quite difficult to give an accurate recommendation without know all the variables. That said, if a HPF/LPF is cutting out signal that the sound guy is using there is probably settings somewhere in the signal chain that need to be adjusted. Either the filters are set incorrectly, or the EQ on the mixer is set too extremely.
This is my opinion and not back by stats, but keep in mind that micing cabs has been turned in to going direct not because it is better but because it is easier. A mic'd cab is very different than direct, but a HPF/LPF and good eq can get you close. Or just use a cab sim.
Most analog mixers have the HPF set too high AND do not have enough control in the EQ section to actually be useful for bass guitar. Digital mixers have helped in this regard.
Correct, I meant to add that to clarify, since many churches still use analog mixers. Fixed.
And I agree that not many techs know proper EQ for bass.
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Question for those with ampless IEM setups that DI straight to the desk: Do you go in clean or have some kind of amp modelling?
I go through an MXR M81. Whilst it gives a nice clean tone, I can't help but keep thinking what something like a VTDI or Omni Cab Sim Deluxe would bring to the table. I see the OCSD mentioned a lot and also that there is now a mini version. I had a VTDI briefly in a previous setup (used XLR to DI then went parallel to a small amp) and perhaps didn't give it enough of a chance. I'd sold it before we went IEM so the M81 is actually all I've tried on the ampless stage so far.
I'm not really a pedal guy, I just have a tuner and the M81 taking up half of a PT nano board. Would just like to get a killer tone and wondered if a cab sim is the way to go
I go through an MXR M81. Whilst it gives a nice clean tone, I can't help but keep thinking what something like a VTDI or Omni Cab Sim Deluxe would bring to the table. I see the OCSD mentioned a lot and also that there is now a mini version. I had a VTDI briefly in a previous setup (used XLR to DI then went parallel to a small amp) and perhaps didn't give it enough of a chance. I'd sold it before we went IEM so the M81 is actually all I've tried on the ampless stage so far.
I'm not really a pedal guy, I just have a tuner and the M81 taking up half of a PT nano board. Would just like to get a killer tone and wondered if a cab sim is the way to go
jacoby75
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I have an M81 and have been ampless for some time now. Drive and distortion are very personal preferences. And how they respond depend very much on how you play and what you play. So take my opinion for what it's worth. But that being said . . .
I bought the M81 because at the time I wanted my bass to sound exactly like my bass, but give me some external EQ control, which it does in spades. Using the distortion channel direct - to my ears - sounds awful. Harsh and fizzy. It's better through an amp if you're going to use the drive. If you're ampless, you need a speaker sim or amp sim after the M81. I use the OCSD at the end of my chain, and it sounds fantastic with the M81. I actually prefer it greatly to other more "boutique" overdrives and distortions that I have tried. I have been trying different overdrives and distortions for a couple of years now, and recently added the OCSD. I always come back to the M81 and the Darkglass VMT. Those two pedals give me just about all the drive options I could ever need.
