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Worship Bass Pedalboards

#4,801
yobtaf said:
so talk me into or out of a Fairfield Accountant... Always P bass, 80% pick player, heavy hand somtimes. 2 have Dimarzio Model P's and they are a bit hot. I really like the Markbass but man the area it takes up, and it sounds like the Accountant will add a bit of hair to it as well in certain settings.
Not looking to drop a ton of money either. Its just used at church.
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I've made no secret about it being one of my favorite pedals. You won't regret it, but if you do it's easy to resell.
 
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yobtaf said:
so talk me into or out of a Fairfield Accountant... Always P bass, 80% pick player, heavy hand somtimes. 2 have Dimarzio Model P's and they are a bit hot. I really like the Markbass but man the area it takes up, and it sounds like the Accountant will add a bit of hair to it as well in certain settings.
Not looking to drop a ton of money either. Its just used at church.
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Great compressor. Very organic sound. Sweet tone enhancement (as in it makes your tone sound sweeter, to my ears). Lots of folks around here use it as an overdrive, and it works well for that too. That always on, organic sounding grit. Personally, I never cared much for the grit, as I have dedicated grit pedals when I want that sound. I used it for clean compression, which it does incredibly well. I just decided to post mine for sale because I wanted something to give me a bit more control over the compression properties than the Accountant offers. But it's a really great sounding pedal. With another control or two, I could have been happy with it for a very long time.
 
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#4,804
bobbybass85 said:
solid example of what can be done with the BDDI. One of the better videos showing it. Oddly one of the worst for the Darkglass.
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Thinking a little more about this situation . . . how the Sansamp sounded so great and the others did not. I spend a ton of time on Youtube watching demos of gear of all types, and in particular gear that is meant to enhance one's ability to play without an amp, because that's the quest I've been on for the past few years. And yet when people record demos of said gear, like the three preamps above, they typically will record them through an amp, which totally defeats the purpose to me. These guys actually recorded them direct. Maybe what we're hearing in this video is the truest representation of what they would sound like straight to PA, which is likely how most of us would use them. You'd probably get different results running all three through an amp and recording that.
 
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Hey does anyone use vibrato in a worship setting? I'm thinking about the times during or after a song where I'm playing quietly and letting notes ring out while someone is speaking or praying. I was thinking that a slow, "pulsating" sound/feel might be kind of nice.

Or in those situations do you think a subtle echo would be better?
 
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timendous said:
Hey does anyone use vibrato in a worship setting? I'm thinking about the times during or after a song where I'm playing quietly and letting notes ring out while someone is speaking or praying. I was thinking that a slow, "pulsating" sound/feel might be kind of nice.

Or in those situations do you think a subtle echo would be better?
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I don't personally, but a while ago I noted a Zvex Sonar on someone's worship board, which I use for guitar and is fantastic. I'm sure it would respond equally fantastically on bass. It's a sweeeeet pedal.
 
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timendous said:
Hey does anyone use vibrato in a worship setting? I'm thinking about the times during or after a song where I'm playing quietly and letting notes ring out while someone is speaking or praying. I was thinking that a slow, "pulsating" sound/feel might be kind of nice.

Or in those situations do you think a subtle echo would be better?
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Do you mean vibrato (pitch modulation) or tremolo (volume modulation)?
 
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timendous said:
Vibrato. There aren't too many videos on youtube of them on bass and the ones there are spend most of the time using them in really obnoxious ways. But I've heard a few instances where there is almost a slow "throb."

Not talking about volume increase/decrease.
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Ah, sorry. The Sonar is tremolo. Loud > soft > loud throbbing with a ton of adjustable parameters. Not pitch throbbing.
 
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I suppose I could give both a whirl (maybe try vibrato and if I don't like it, look for a tremolo). I was asking about this in particular because have a pedal trade opportunity and I'm needing to decide between a vibrato (Lovepedal Vibronaut) or echo (Lovepedal EPH-3).
 
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timendous said:
Vibrato. There aren't too many videos on youtube of them on bass and the ones there are spend most of the time using them in really obnoxious ways. But I've heard a few instances where there is almost a slow "throb."

Not talking about volume increase/decrease.
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I asked because when you say "throb" I think more of tremolo than vibrato, which I would describe as a "warble." Note that sometimes guitars are said to have "tremolo arms" which in fact produce vibrato, not tremolo. Tremolo can certainly be severe like a choppy square wave hard tremolo, or it can be more subtle for the type of effect that you're talking about. I suppose you could use vibrato as well, but personally I'm not a big fan of it in most contexts.
 
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Adamixoye said:
I asked because when you say "throb" I think more of tremolo than vibrato, which I would describe as a "warble." Note that sometimes guitars are said to have "tremolo arms" which in fact produce vibrato, not tremolo. Tremolo can certainly be severe like a choppy square wave hard tremolo, or it can be more subtle for the type of effect that you're talking about. I suppose you could use vibrato as well, but personally I'm not a big fan of it in most contexts.
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Thanks for the insight! I actually have little/no experience using either tremolo or vibrato, so I thought I'd ask.
 
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jacoby75 said:
And yet when people record demos of said gear, like the three preamps above, they typically will record them through an amp, which totally defeats the purpose to me. These guys actually recorded them direct. Maybe what we're hearing in this video is the truest representation of what they would sound like straight to PA, which is likely how most of us would use them.
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I'm not so sure. If their recordings are truly direct (aka no amp involved) then what you are hearing is a true representation of how they would sound in a direct recording setting. Or in a live scenario, what the board is "hearing."

To hear what they would sound like in the truest sense direct and through a PA you would have to include the shaping that occurs from the PA speakers (audience perspective). Sort of like adding a cab sim (to a degree).

In an IEM/Ampless/Worship scenario we experience this by the difference in what we hear (for monitoring) and what the audience hears (post speakers).
 
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MascisMan said:
I'm not so sure. If their recordings are truly direct (aka no amp involved) then what you are hearing is a true representation of how they would sound in a direct recording setting. Or in a live scenario, what the board is "hearing."

To hear what they would sound like in the truest sense direct and through a PA you would have to include the shaping that occurs from the PA speakers (audience perspective). Sort of like adding a cab sim (to a degree).

In an IEM/Ampless/Worship scenario we experience this by the difference in what we hear (for monitoring) and what the audience hears (post speakers).
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True enough. And therein lies the rub. How do you dial in a sound through an amp or headphones/in ears that will sound anything like what the congregation is hearing FOH? Especially with overdrive.
 
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jacoby75 said:
True enough. And therein lies the rub. How do you dial in a sound through an amp or headphones/in ears that will sound anything like what the congregation is hearing FOH? Especially with overdrive.
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I hear you. That's the pretzel. Personally, when I need to make adjustments, I get to rehearsal early and dial in my gear for how it sounds out front and then just deal with the IEM tone (knowing it's good to the audience). Usually I can find a good middle ground though. Probably will differ situation to situation as well (different boards, speakers, mixing theories, etc.).
 
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MascisMan said:
I hear you. That's the pretzel. Personally, when I need to make adjustments, I get to rehearsal early and dial in my gear for how it sounds out front and then just deal with the IEM tone (knowing it's good to the audience). Usually I can find a good middle ground though. Probably will differ situation to situation as well (different boards, speakers, mixing theories, etc.).
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How do you dial in the FOH sound? Do you run a wireless receiver? Then a lot of walking back and forth and tweaking? I've thought of that but I'd barely be able to past the front of the stage (plus a drop to the floor) even with a 18ft cable.
 
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speedball3 said:
How do you dial in the FOH sound? Do you run a wireless receiver? Then a lot of walking back and forth and tweaking? I've thought of that but I'd barely be able to past the front of the stage (plus a drop to the floor) even with a 18ft cable.
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One of two ways. A wireless receiver or I have someone else play my bass/pedalboard (we have a few guys on the team that play bass well enough) while I listen out front.

Over time, I have also learned the room and our speaker set up. For example, our room accentuates ~2500kHz. So if I introduce a new amp sim on my Stomp or I am dialing in a new setting on an EQ/Preamp pedal (Silver Deluxe/SV-Pre/Super Stack/etc.), I know to be careful with 2500kHz. I also know that the engineer runs a HPF at 50Hz on the bass channel so I adjust accordingly. So forth and so on.

Also, we have a good sound guy whose opinion I respect. So I ask him, especially on rehearsal days, to listen specifically to the bass here and there and provide constructive criticism. Is my bass cutting through too much? Not enough? Are the lows (sub 500hZ) too overwhelming? Not enough? At first there was a lot of conversation, but again, through time and practice, I know what he is looking for, I know how the room will react, I know how the room changes when it is filled with warm bodies, I know how the speakers roll off certain frequencies, etc.

In addition, we have the luxury at our church to have live recordings. So I can go back and listen the next day and analyze which helps a bunch. Of course, the live recordings are the "direct to board" sound so it doesnt take in to account PA speakers or the room being filled, however, it tells me exactly what our online viewers are hearing and how my set up interacts with the sound guy's board mix (pre PA).

Nowadays, there really isn't a lot of back and forth because I have it largely dialed in. The initial time I set up a new pedal or amp sim, sure, there is some back and forth to get things right, but with my knowledge of the room and feedback from the sound guy, it only takes a few minutes really.
 
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I'm going to run with this tomorrow morning. First time in a while that I won't be using the SLO as preamp.

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