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#12,381
NickyBass said:
Can the Oracle be powered with the Crux? That would be a check in the positive column. Well, if you have the DC7.
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The new version is more pedal board friendly and should run off the DC7 just fine would you need the Crux for the 1500ma draw? They also updated it to having an XLR out. The older version had much higher power requirements as well as 1/4" out only. If I'm recalling properly anyway :roflmao:
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#12,382
NickyBass said:
Can the Oracle be powered with the Crux? That would be a check in the positive column. Well, if you have the DC7.
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Yes, it can. One thing to note about the Oracle is the XLR output is 12dB softer than the 1/4" out. I found the signal to be almost as soft as a JDI, so it'll need a bit more gain at front of house.
 
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FenrirofOld said:
The new version is more pedal board friendly and should run off the DC7 just fine, they also updated it to having an XLR out. The older version had much higher power requirements as well as 1/4" out only. If I'm recalling properly anyway :roflmao:
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So, this is above my pay grade, but I'll just mention it as something to look into just to make sure you have enough power. But, 1500mA is a lot.

These are the specs for the DC7:

Outlet 1-7: 9V DC / 660mA or 12V DC / 500mA or 15V DC / 400mA or 18V DC / 330mA each

And the Crux:

Output: 9V DC / 2700 mA or 12V DC /2000 mA
 
#12,385
wolffire99 said:
This is the most common complaint I hear about the Khan. The Sushi box has a little thickening via the transformer and if you run it pre out it's extremely colored. Kind of like an underground accelerator with a DI out.
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I like this about the Khan VTDI and I would not characterize it as a complaint so much as a feature. It's a matter of perspective, obviously, but to me the Khan's transparency is a plus because I like the sound of my gear as is: when I play, I want to hear the tone of my bass. I like how my bass sounds, you know? That's why I own it :)

Anyway, some weeks back I posted this comparison of the Khan VTDI and the Noble. I also touch on the Oracle. I hope it proves helpful to some of you.
 
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NickyBass said:
So, this is above my pay grade, but I'll just mention it as something to look into just to make sure you have enough power. But, 1500mA is a lot.

These are the specs for the DC7:

Outlet 1-7: 9V DC / 660mA or 12V DC / 500mA or 15V DC / 400mA or 18V DC / 330mA each

And the Crux:

Output: 9V DC / 2700 mA or 12V DC /2000 mA
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Sorry yeah, I had edited my old message that I wasn't sure the DC7 alone could handle the mA requirements just to try and avoid confusion :sour:.

So the Crux would be needed it appears. I think it has always been pretty power hungry, the old ones ran off like a 300VDC power supply I think it was.
 
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On the discussion of the Noble and Khan, I've never played a Noble but it's supposedly slightly mid-scooped. The Khan is a bit more forward in the mids, with a tighter bottom. Most people will likely favor one of those sound profiles over the other. I love the rich mids of the Khan in a band mix.
 
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Killens84 said:
On the discussion of the Noble and Khan, I've never played a Noble but it's supposedly slightly mid-scooped. The Khan is a bit more forward in the mids, with a tighter bottom. Most people will likely favor one of those sound profiles over the other. I love the rich mids of the Khan in a band mix.
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Well said. This is what I hear: the Noble has a mid scoop and the Khan has a "tigher bottom." The Khan has more mids, but I suspect that might not be because it is "mid forward" so much as it just is not scooped in the midrange.

There's also a feel difference: the Khan is smooth, even, and tight and the Noble has more give or sag, especially in the low register where you can really feel that tube woofiness. (It's not "woofy" per se; it just has more of that feel than the Khan which leans toward punchy.)
 
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Erithon said:
Well said. This is what I hear: the Noble has a mid scoop and the Khan has a "tigher bottom." The Khan has more mids, but I suspect that might not be because it is "mid forward" so much as it just is not scooped in the midrange.

There's also a feel difference: the Khan is smooth, even, and tight and the Noble has more give or sag, especially in the low register where you can really feel that tube woofiness. (It's not "woofy" per se; it just has more of that feel than the Khan which leans toward punchy.)
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This is stated much better than I could state it, but I agree. So, what really helped me with the Khan was getting a nice slight low end boost on the Empress ParaEQ. This gives me a bit of what I wanted that the Noble had, but also gives me the punch and midrange that the Khan already has on tap. The sag is something that I love for fingerstyle, and would miss. But, the tightness is great for pick tones.
Though, running the Empress bass comp in front of the Noble did give me a nice pick tone. But, again, this is all splitting hairs.

The other thing that I was thinking about doing was putting the Noble aside for a week or so. Get the Khan tone in my head, work with it, etc without going back and forth and trying to find tiny details. If I am happy with the Khan after a few services, then that's all that matters.
 
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I absolutely love the Khan. It's clarity is second to none and it hides nothing. It adds a fantastic 'clean' Ampeg tube amp coloration, but it isn't anywhere as colored as the Noble or Oracle.... And frankly it's not meant to be. Those are Preamps + Tube DI, whereas the Khan is a straight Tube DI. I personally prefer tube coloration of the Khan as compared to the Noble and Oracle when left completely flat, BUT the tone shaping available on the other two are where they really shine, IMHO.

With that said, I traded out both my Khan's earlier this year and have been more than happy with the SushiBox Underground Accelerator + SushiBox More combo I replaced them with. I enjoy the saturation + tone shaping I can get with the UA & as well as the 3D-like nature and additional tube mojo the More adds to the soundstage.
 
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Killens84 said:
Has anyone happened to compare a Sushi Box Finally V2 (with bass in mind) to a Khan or Noble? Does the Finally have the same tube warmth/thickness/heft of those others?
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I haven't compared the Finally & Khan, but the Underground Accelerator & the Finally are at their core the same circuit with a slightly different feature set.

The UA with a 12AU7 & the EQ section switched off (making it pretty much the Finally V2 WBIM sans DI) adds some nice warmth & is very good, but it's definitely not on the same level as the Khan. Thickness and heft are not descriptors I would use, but warmth certainly is.
 

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