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Would you roll with an Ampeg 4x10 or 8x10?

#41
JimmyM said:
Dude, nobody on this board plays rock and roll as quiet as I do, and I'm using an 810 again. It doesn't have to be driven hard to sound great. And unless you're talking about space in your vehicle, it takes up no more floor space onstage than a 410. Not trying to talk you out of using a 410, but those aren't very compelling reasons to not use your fridge. Fridges are fun!
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+1!
 
#42
Bassmec said:
I don't find my 8 X 10 any worse to move than my 2 115's
there is like most Bass things a little bit of technique required
but once mastered its easy.
One thing to get is a bit of rope and some cardboard or better still a corrugated plastic real estate sign to slide it on when putting it in the truck, car or on stage. I hardly ever have to actually lift it.!
Just tip it back and roll with it.:ninja:
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That's a great idea, Bassmec! I shall do that.
 
#43
Gearhead17 said:
An Ampeg 810e is easy to get into most clubs, you usually will need two people, but you get away doing it yourself. Stick to a 410 and you will be fine on about 95% of stages in these bars/clubs. You can always add another 410 if you want more volume.

Have you tried out Ampeg's cabs before? I would suggest you do that ASAP. There are more options for 410 cabs out there that will sound way better than the 410HLF. The 410HLF has a lot of low end, but not a lot of midrange or upper mid growl. For some people this is alright, but cutting through in a band setting, it does not work to well for that. Making a lot of low end boom - the 410HLF covers that nicely. Try one out and see for yourself.
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I agree that there are better 410's out there. However, in the OP you stated that you were looking at Ampegs, so I stuck with the HLF recommendation.

But if you're willing to get away from Ampeg, then there are some awesome 410's and 412's available. I'd start with Bergantino . . . I use an HT322 (2 2x10's and 1x15) with an SVT-4 Pro and I have never redlined it yet. That includes gigs in large auditorium venues seating 2000 people and also outdoor festivals; by the time you're that big you're going FOH and at the mercy of your sound man anyhow.

Mesa also makes some great, powerful small box cabs.

I have never yet played a gig where a small box (410's etc.) with a line to the house did not get it done comfortably. Unless by having a large cab you're making up for some other deficiency -- go smaller! But start with Berg.
 
#44
JimmyM said:
Dude, nobody on this board plays rock and roll as quiet as I do, and I'm using an 810 again. It doesn't have to be driven hard to sound great. And unless you're talking about space in your vehicle, it takes up no more floor space onstage than a 410. Not trying to talk you out of using a 410, but those aren't very compelling reasons to not use your fridge. Fridges are fun!
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FRIDGES ARE FFFFFUN!
 
#47
personally i use 410's, 118's, 115's, and have a pair of ampeg 810e's. luckily we have a tour van as well. hands down i rock both my 810e's off my svt-4pro at gigs. when it comes to cutting through i get more than what i need even with one 810. something i found lacking in my 410(s). to be honest i just look at what sounds best and i find the 810 is a winner by miles. people come to see and hear you, not move your rig for you right? also in terms of portability i live on the third story of an apartment building that has no elevator and have hauled all of the cabs down the stairwell at least 10 times each, the 810 was easiest thanks to the two man lift (less awkward than the smaller yet still heavy cabs). and when it comes to getting it lifted and positioned into the van i use a mechanics sled ($20) then strap it down. besides 810's add a better feel to a show altogether they're genuine panty removers lol.
 
#48
Here's a better question...610hlf or 810e? I already got the 610hlf but I can always take it back to GC. I saw a mint 810e for $640 + shipping...the $640 is less then what I payed for the 610hlf. It doesn't really seem all that much bigger then the 610hlf so I'm not worried about moving it.
 
#50
JimmyM said:
1 , I think you'll find that it's probably easier to move an 810 than two 410's. And really, a single 410 isn't all that much easier to move IMHO. Most weigh 100 lbs. or more and an 810 is right around 165 lbs.
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I Think this exactly, I actually bought two 4x10's just because thinking they were smaller(by themselves) they were easier, but not if you take both to the gig. You have to dead lift them into anything you are loading em into. For gigs with a big PA i only take one with me because it is all I need, but alot of times I am playing in clubs that are smaller and they only plug vocals and kick into the PA, so I need to take both. But I can fit both cabs and my 10 space rack case in my honda civic:ninja:
 
#51
I used the 410HLF it's great for a club with a great P.A. But if the P.A is week. Your sound will be weeker. switched to the 810e could not be happyer. so what about the size. Get over it!! do you want the tone and volume or not. 810 810 810 god, quit complaining. there is a very good reason that the damn thging is still made.
 
#52
I donno, both do what they do.

I noticed many here have just refered to the 410HLF (like the B and SVT are the same thing) and not as the SVT-410HLF. We have to watch out for that B-Series sneaking in there as the OP brought up a link to a B410POS.

There is a speaker difference between these cabs.

The SVT-410HLF will move massive amounts of air. Replacement speakers? DUH, Eminence BP102-4's That was simple.

Great speaker, great little cab. Heavy for its size and hard to wheel even though it has a towel bar and wheels. Its easier to wheel my fridge cabs around. But I do not like wheeling ANY of my cabs on asphalt, dirt or rock. Wrecks the wheels.

I also am an HLF lover, but they do sound different than an 810. With my SVT-4PRO it doesn't sound muddy and this might be the difference Jimmy. But like any ported cab they are Loose, and the sealed cabs tight.

They do show off their bottom ends better than the 810 or even the 215 which is also ported. If you play a 5 string, I would say a pair of 410HLF's with the 4PRO would be massive. I have the SVT-410HLF, SVT-810E, and the SVT215E cabs here and have a pretty good feeling for all of them. I wish I had two 410's as I only have one so I can't wind up the 4PRO all the way into one cab.

I also have my tweeter turned down all the way.

BOB
 
#53
Sorry this is kind of a hi jack (but it pertains to the OP)

I have a chance to get a 410 HLF for $300. Not sure if its the B or SVT. It's missing its grill and has a few tears in the Tolex.

I play through a Bass 400+ and in C#, will this be muddy? I am gonna go try it soon, but I figure if you guys can maybe save me the trip... :)

Thanks!

-Loren
 
#54
AlstottMVP2 said:
Given all your experience and knowledge...

If you were playing out regularly in clubs and bars, would you opt for the Ampeg 4x10, or the 8x10 bass cabinet enclosure?

Also, what specific model would you get? SVT-810E?

Thanks!!!

(moving up from a mite small 1x15 ampeg live amp)
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70's Ampeg SVT cab, by that I mean an 8 x 10. They sound killer especially with the matching head and two cabs are even better.:D
 
#56
HammerSmashBASS said:
personally i use 410's, 118's, 115's, and have a pair of ampeg 810e's. luckily we have a tour van as well. hands down i rock both my 810e's off my svt-4pro at gigs. when it comes to cutting through i get more than what i need even with one 810. something i found lacking in my 410(s). to be honest i just look at what sounds best and i find the 810 is a winner by miles. people come to see and hear you, not move your rig for you right? also in terms of portability i live on the third story of an apartment building that has no elevator and have hauled all of the cabs down the stairwell at least 10 times each, the 810 was easiest thanks to the two man lift (less awkward than the smaller yet still heavy cabs). and when it comes to getting it lifted and positioned into the van i use a mechanics sled ($20) then strap it down. besides 810's add a better feel to a show altogether they're genuine panty removers lol.
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+1
 
#57
lorenk said:
Sorry this is kind of a hi jack (but it pertains to the OP)

I have a chance to get a 410 HLF for $300. Not sure if its the B or SVT. It's missing its grill and has a few tears in the Tolex.

I play through a Bass 400+ and in C#, will this be muddy? I am gonna go try it soon, but I figure if you guys can maybe save me the trip... :)

Thanks!

-Loren
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If its an SVT-410HLF maybe, the B's... A perfect one is worth $300. I wouldn't own a B anything, sorry to those who do. A is A and B is B... B means B... SVT means premium line.

A quick way to tell the two cabs apart with no grill... The SVT has three round ports in the space below the speakers usually hidden by the grill. The B has a wood slot port under where the grill would be.

The SVT has Eminence Legend speakers in it, probably the finest 10" speaker made for bass whether installed in a ported or sealed cabinet. The power limit is for the tweeter and crossover which I feel you can cut out with a set of Dykes. The wire cutters Dykes not the two gals who live in the apartment next door. Well maybe you could invite them over for cocktails and have them supervise... I take it all back.

BOB
 
#60
As to the original question, Ampeg 4x10 or 8x10:

8x10 without a doubt if sound quality is the main driver
If stage space or weight is the issue, an Amegp 4x10, or better yet a different brand of smaller cab; you decide the configuration but I like the sound of Berg's
Now, wasn't that easy!
 

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