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Xsonics Club

I got to run the 212CF through it's paces without P.A. support last night. The gig got very loud as it normally does. The cab kept up but the tone suffered somewhat at extreme volumes. I was experiencing some driver compression and lost some of it's characteristic punch. My drummer said he had a hard time hearing me at times but he always noticed if I hit an off note. :)

I was still impressed with what the 212CF could do. My Bergantino AE410 has a hard time keeping up on this particular gig too. With the AE410 cab I end up dialing in more mids to cut through the mix, essentially compromising my preferred tone with that cab. I still got a bunch of comments on the size of the Xsonics 212CF and the relative volume of what appeared to the bassists in the audience to be a single 12" cab. :D

The tweeter upgrade to the APT-80 was a welcomed addition during some of the slap songs. I could hear that snap off each slap, echo back at me throughout the room during RHCP's Higher Ground. It really seared the tracks when I kicked on my Russian Big Muff for Blurs Song 2. I loved it!!

After last night I'm sure this cab is a keeper. It has to be played within it's limits. And those limits are IMO equivalent to a typical 410. Even though the Eminence 3012HO drivers are considered "Super" 12's I wouldn't say this cab is any more capable than an typical 410. There are IME 410's that have a deeper sound but still wont seem as loud. When you consider 2-12" speakers share approximately the cone area of 310's, this cab truly is a wonder. It's overall size puts it just a bit larger than a typical vented single 12" cab. I'll likely be using the 212CF on 90% of my rock gigs. It's low end was plenty for me while on this gig. I was riding the low C on the B-string for Queens of the Stoneage - Know One Knows and it sounded very authorative.

I'll be running this cab as my first pic due to the form factor. The sound IMO is also excellent. The only way I'll drag out my 410 in the future will be to throw on top of the 212CF at the loudest of gigs without P.A. support. If I'll require a really deep sound, I'll reach for my super deep tuned and warm sounding Mesa Scout 12 cabs which are the polar opposite to the 212CF.
 
Good report, and true - every piece of equipment has it's limits. Your findings from this gig is the only reason I spent the extra dough on the 2155cf, I wanted to have a cab that could do any gig and I did not want to haul different things ever... Extreme laziness on my part no doubt. It does sound like you were just at the edge with this gig of needing to go into PA. I would imagine this was an oddball scenario for your band or do you have many like this? Still, very impressive for a cab this small.
 
Major fundraising event in Houston. A quilt sold in the auction brought $50,000. The elite of Houston. They were all very polite. Big place, big crowd, tremendous food and drinks (open buffet and open bar all night). The 215 really got tested in this place, and the more I gave it, the better it sounded. Crazy how loud this thing gets. And the tone was fantastic. Quite possibly the best tone on electric bass I've ever had, and upright really killed. Our steel guitar player helped me load out in the pouring rain, and he couldn't believe how light it was and that it put out so much sound. All I could say was, "Believe it." Thanks, Nick. The cab proved it self in a LARGE way last night.

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I've been noodling around with a 212cf cab for a couple of days now. I've got to find a head for it, as I have been using a GK MB200, which is really my headphone amp for learning new tunes, and loud enough for my music room needs. I am familiar with the 3012HO drivers, as I have an LDS 212/horn cab that is vertically oriented and which I usually use a Carvin BX1500 with. ( BTW, I have a 3012HO driver for sale in the classifieds ;). This cab sounds a little darker and warmer than the LDS cab. I really don't want to use the Carvin with this cab, which is rackmounted and would defeat the whole form factor purpose of getting the Xsonics in the first place. BTW, this is the only con I have found with the 212cf, which is the schlepp factor of that top handle. I know the cab is light, but I'm a little guy, and find that trying to one arm that cab and walk is kind of a knee banger for me. I know I'm in the minority as far this goes, but I much would have desired side loaded handles, even as small as it is. Not a deal breaker, but I see a lightweight, fold up two wheel cart in my future !

So the hunt for a small form factor, 500-800 watt head starts. I've tried just about all the GB heads and there is just something about them that I just don't like; I find myself twiddling the knobs on all of them and getting frustrated. So, I'm thinking about the MB f500, or the LM800 heads. Anybody using these heads ? The 212cf will be used for my Blues gig, so I'm not looking for a modern , slap tone from this cab, but more of a forceful, pillow type tone. The 212cf seems to have this inherent tone already, at least in my music room, so a more powerful head is needed to carry me with no PA support. So far, I'm really digging this cab, just have to find the right head.
 
hope to hear more on your experience with your 212CF jnew...

I'm kinda narrowed down to the GK Neo 212-II and GB NX2 212 on the lower priced end. And the Xson 212CF and Berg CN212 on the upper priced end. I keep reading of the Faitals and wonder if the NX2 will offer me a big tonal difference than my NeoX 212T cab.

So def been leaning to these 212's as options, though yet to hear them all to compare thier differences. Not sure I can really do that without 'buying n trying'.

Though now after reading muthafunk, gab124 and buffbh's replies here; that dang 215CF may be for me as I get little to no PA support in a couple bands.
 
@jnewmark
My 2155cf has a recessed side handle much better for carrying around, gets it up away from your shins etc. I only use the top strap handle for wheeling around on its casters and for laying on side. I am surprised the Steamliner did not work for you with your tone description - that is exactely how I would describe the streamliner. However, through the Xsonics it has a very distinct punch, not pillowy, and we still pull off a lot of blues in our gigs. The LM stuff is supposed to be pretty warm, but I was not satisfied with my LMIII as I found it hard to get the defined low end I wanted - I much prefer the GB STL over that (with a nos5751 in V1),, my knob twiddling stopped after that.


@BuffaloBillh
Wow Buffalo - that is a room there. Glad the Xsonics did the trick for you - you are right that they sound better and better as volume goes up (at least to their threshold, whatever that is with the 2155cf). Just curious, what strings you have on your 5501?
 
Though now after reading muthafunk, gab124 and buffbh's replies here; that dang 215CF may be for me as I get little to no PA support in a couple bands.

That is the only reason I went with the 2155 - the 212cf would, I am sure, cover 80%-90% of my gigs, but I just wanted to have one cab to carry around and not have to always think what I needed for a given show. Now I just grab the 215 in one hand, bass on back and amp in other hand and walk in for pretty much any show, and what it won't cover will have PA support no doubt. I also have the added benefit that on all the other shows I have plenty of headroom and can keep it full as I want at whatever volume - though it sounds as like the 212 can do that as well at most gig levels too :bassist:.
 
hope to hear more on your experience with your 212CF jnew...

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Though now after reading muthafunk, gab124 and buffbh's replies here; that dang 215CF may be for me as I get little to no PA support in a couple bands.

IMO if the drummer needs micing on the gig so will the 212CF or a DI. If not, you'll be fine. I think that's reasonable to expect out of this cab. I'd play it with ANY drummer without p.a. support in a heartbeat. You won't have a problem there.

That is the only reason I went with the 2155 - the 212cf would, I am sure, cover 80%-90% of my gigs, but I just wanted to have one cab to carry around and not have to always think what I needed for a given show. ... though it sounds as like the 212 can do that as well at most gig levels too :bassist:.

IMO the bass player shouldn't be expected to carry a huge room. As a sound guy and a bass player I've found that when the bass player has to carry the room and the p.a. carries the rest of the band the stage volume of the bass player is just too loud for everyone else to hear and enjoy each other. It's counter productive. My choice to run with the 212CF was based on the convenient size and aggressive tone. I'm the type of player that has never needed more than a good 410 on gigs and practice though...
 
@jnewmark
My 2155cf has a recessed side handle much better for carrying around, gets it up away from your shins etc. I only use the top strap handle for wheeling around on its casters and for laying on side. I am surprised the Steamliner did not work for you with your tone description - that is exactely how I would describe the streamliner. However, through the Xsonics it has a very distinct punch, not pillowy, and we still pull off a lot of blues in our gigs. The LM stuff is supposed to be pretty warm, but I was not satisfied with my LMIII as I found it hard to get the defined low end I wanted - I much prefer the GB STL over that (with a nos5751 in V1),, my knob twiddling stopped after that.

Maybe I will install some flush mount spring handles at some point, although that would negate using the cover which is fitted for the top handle. Funny, for some reason, I always forget about the GB Streamliner. I have read all the reviews of it here though, and it almost sounds like too much of a good thing- a head with a big low end into a cab that already has enough low end for me. There is a mega thread on just settings for this head, as each knob seems to alter the other knobs in dramatic ways. Seems like alot of knob twiddling to me. Ideally, I think I would like the MB F1 or F500, because I owned one before and as I recall, it had a nice, low mid, thick punch, right out of the box. Kind of what I mean when I say, " forceful pillow ". Not Ampeg B15N sort of pillow. Did just changing out one tube alter the tone of the Streamliner that much ?
 
IMO the bass player shouldn't be expected to carry a huge room. As a sound guy and a bass player I've found that when the bass player has to carry the room and the p.a. carries the rest of the band the stage volume of the bass player is just too loud for everyone else to hear and enjoy each other. It's counter productive. My choice to run with the 212CF was based on the convenient size and aggressive tone. I'm the type of player that has never needed more than a good 410 on gigs and practice though...

I agree completely on this one. And our drummer has an electric kit as well, so we can have some pretty low stage volume. However, as guitarists can be, they want to push their amps at least a little for tone, and I can keep up with that as I am sure the 212 could. I am positive I could own the 212 and be completely set, but the last few cabs I bought did not cut it volume wise, except for my 810 - and as I stated before, I never pushed the 810 hard, its just even at lower volumes I liked the authority and headroom it provided. This prompted me to get the 2155 for that reason. I mean, @ 49lbs its not like I had much to loose in the deal :D That is still really small and light from just a few years ago.
 
Maybe I will install some flush mount spring handles at some point, although that would negate using the cover which is fitted for the top handle. Funny, for some reason, I always forget about the GB Streamliner. I have read all the reviews of it here though, and it almost sounds like too much of a good thing- a head with a big low end into a cab that already has enough low end for me. There is a mega thread on just settings for this head, as each knob seems to alter the other knobs in dramatic ways. Seems like alot of knob twiddling to me. Ideally, I think I would like the MB F1 or F500, because I owned one before and as I recall, it had a nice, low mid, thick punch, right out of the box. Kind of what I mean when I say, " forceful pillow ". Not Ampeg B15N sort of pillow. Did just changing out one tube alter the tone of the Streamliner that much ?

Steamliner.. I agree, some folks have had a big knob twiddling fest with this amp, and there are a lot of tones in there with such a small feature set. I, however, got mine in and had the "tone in my head" within minutes and now just tweak a little from room to room. I was in that first wave of purchasing when they became available as well, and have never even considered getting rid of it. Everyones ear is different for sure. I think it does match well with the Xsonics though, the streamliner has a pretty aggressive HPF in it so the low end can be controlled and the drivers in these cabs are very articulate anyway. As far as the tube rolling goes. I really think the 5751 in V1 tightened up the low end, but it is not night and day. Works really well for my classic rock, blues band.
 
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IMO the bass player shouldn't be expected to carry a huge room. As a sound guy and a bass player I've found that when the bass player has to carry the room and the p.a. carries the rest of the band the stage volume of the bass player is just too loud for everyone else to hear and enjoy each other. It's counter productive. My choice to run with the 212CF was based on the convenient size and aggressive tone. I'm the type of player that has never needed more than a good 410 on gigs and practice though...

I haven't tried them myself, but based on gigging bassists reports it seems a possible exception to the above situation is one of the medium to larger-sized Big-E bass cabs, like a MA-48, MA-66 or MA-85. Sounds like they can really throw sound out with out overwhelming the stage.
 
@jnewmark
My 2155cf has a recessed side handle much better for carrying around, gets it up away from your shins etc. I only use the top strap handle for wheeling around on its casters and for laying on side. I am surprised the Steamliner did not work for you with your tone description - that is exactely how I would describe the streamliner. However, through the Xsonics it has a very distinct punch, not pillowy, and we still pull off a lot of blues in our gigs. The LM stuff is supposed to be pretty warm, but I was not satisfied with my LMIII as I found it hard to get the defined low end I wanted - I much prefer the GB STL over that (with a nos5751 in V1),, my knob twiddling stopped after that.


@BuffaloBillh
Wow Buffalo - that is a room there. Glad the Xsonics did the trick for you - you are right that they sound better and better as volume goes up (at least to their threshold, whatever that is with the 2155cf). Just curious, what strings you have on your 5501?


I use EB super slinkies on my 5502. Never used them before until this bass. They are very easy to play, and I like the sound.
 
I been doing alot of window shopping and question asking in a few threads so thought it was time to try something. I just ordered a new NX2 212 cab.

I sold some gear over the weekend and felt I really wanna see what those Faitals do in the GB cab and now I can direct compare it to my GB NeoX 212T. I have some small-med size bar gigs coming in May so I know either 212 will do fine even with no PA.

I do have a large outdoor gig Memorial weekend but I hear there will be full PA support. So I get to put the new NX2 thru its paces to see what it'll do. If the tone/volume doesn't uber-thrill me, I'll flip it and try one of the other 212's (or 215's) on my short list.

The NX2 is lighter than my NeoX cab, which to me is quite light, so that's cool too. We'll see how it goes. Thanks for all the helpful replies here from all. Peace, ernie.
 
Hey Dennis, hope you had a good vacation. For me I have pulled out my 5 string with rounds to give a go on the 2155 - wow, does that B kick! Think I will use it on my next gig.
 
^ Good luck Ernie

I guess I made the impression that I play with really loud bands. Well some are. But I've gotten thru all my gigs in last couple years with either a single 212 or a 410 cab, no PA.

My GB NX2-212T is on FDX truck to arrive today at my home. Guess they finally ran outta deer to run down and are back on track. :p

BUT OH MAN, just saw in the classifieds last nite that jbo1 posted his 212CF for sale at a just abit more than I paid for this NX2. Too bad, woulda been cool to finally try an Xsonics cab. :hmm:
 
I guess I made the impression that I play with really loud bands. Well some are. But I've gotten thru all my gigs in last couple years with either a single 212 or a 410 cab, no PA.

My GB NX2-212T is on FDX truck to arrive today at my home. Guess they finally ran outta deer to run down and are back on track. :p

BUT OH MAN, just saw in the classifieds last nite that jbo1 posted his 212CF for sale at a just abit more than I paid for this NX2. Too bad, woulda been cool to finally try an Xsonics cab. :hmm:

Ah man, just missed it I guess. Have fun with your new rig and sorry you couldn't join the club.