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Double Bass Yamahiko Double Bass Pickup

#701
I've read all 35 pages of this discussion. It has been done with some success both ways and there was not a firm conclusion about which was better. So...I wouldn't worry about up vs down.

The capacity of the bridge feet to accommodate the length of the threads is a legit concern, though. That information is on their site, so you should be able to measure.
 
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#702
In general, my understanding of the concept is that closer to the crown of the bridge will be a brighter signal (i.e. Fishman BP 100/K&K Bass Master pro, etc.), while closer to the top will be a darker signal (i.e. original Realist). I dislike both of these extremes because they accentuate one aspect of the signal to the detriment of its opposite. Bridge wing pickups still seem a little bright to me in general, but useable, while adjuster models and drilled options like the Wilson that drills into the bridge leg seem like the best compromise. In general.

So for this discussion, in one orientation the Yamahiko would likely be marginally brighter, and in the other marginally darker. With the Fishman full circle, same thing, where the threads down orientation is slightly brighter, which I like on both of my basses.
 
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Ric Vice said:
Well,
Since the piezo’s are imbedded in the smooth part of the adjuster posts, you would be placing the sensors into the front of the bridge rather than the bridge
feed closest to the top. So, I’d be sure and have a private chat with one of our TB Yamahiko players. Before I did it that way.
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Ric, you're saying the piezos are in the smooth part of the adjuster posts and another guy is saying they are in the threaded part. This then changes the effect of whether to mount threads up or down, per Chris' description of the resulting sound. I think Yamahiko needs to answer this.
 
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#708
16fuss said:
In the instructions they are very clear. Threads down.
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The instructions I have don't specifically mention it. There are also 2 diagrams, one with the threads up and one with the threads down. It's not that clear to me, so I wanted to see what others are doing.

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#709
Here is the thing. As far as anyone knows, there is a plugged hole bored at the threaded end but the pickup might be anywhere in there including the other end or the middle. But it is prolly right there in the threaded part. I think of this pickup in industrial terms rather then HiFI sonic terms. It massively over does its job amplifying while avoiding (because it isnt flat) the weird sonic things that can happen with flat pezos. This makes it a perfect candidate (uncolored) for first a matched impedance and then a good eq. Then salt to taste. Combined with one on the other leg and ( blended ) it can emphasize a bunch of different kinds of qualities of the bass (goodly or badly) depending on the bass.
 
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#711
Have been using the Yam. Single sensor for a better part of a year. Great Pick-up, sound and construction first class. My question is, what are the pros and cons of the double sensor? And has anyone been glad they added the extra one,and felt that it has had a worthy sonic benefit for the addition?
 
#712
lrhbass said:
Have been using the Yam. Single sensor for a better part of a year. Great Pick-up, sound and construction first class. My question is, what are the pros and cons of the double sensor? And has anyone been glad they added the extra one,and felt that it has had a worthy sonic benefit for the addition?
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I've read this whole thread and made notes. I was ready to order, but ran into an unplanned expense. I've never heard the Yamiko IRL, but would love to this summer when I'm in Dallas! The answer is "yes" people have gone from one sensor to 2 and have gone on about it.

BUT, I know you and I remember you telling me in your practice space that you were ready to not have all of "this stuff" on your gigs. It seems to me, the rabbit hole with Yamahiko is this:

It's the best piezo pickup ever, bar none! But, you can add the 2nd sensor, but wait, you can split the signal and reverse the phase and send each signal to your Felix and WAIT, what you really need to do is blend it with a mic and bounce the whole thing off of the International Space Station and then bring the signal back into your powered speaker, which should be at a 39.2 degree axis to a braided ficus tree that you bring with you to every gig...

If it's really the best piezo pickup of all times, which I don't doubt, then I think YOU PERSONALLY should resist chasing better. :) But, maybe I'm being presumptuous and you've been gigging with it. My plan was single element into my amp, focus on playing better.
 
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TroyK said:
It's the best piezo pickup ever, bar none! But, you can add the 2nd sensor, but wait, you can split the signal and reverse the phase and send each signal to your Felix and WAIT, what you really need to do is blend it with a mic and bounce the whole thing off of the International Space Station and then bring the signal back into your powered speaker, which should be at a 39.2 degree axis to a braided ficus tree that you bring with you to every gig...
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Nice . Last time I saw Ron Carter he was using a Lifeline straight into his amp and hypnotizing us all. Every note.
 
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TroyK said:
I've read this whole thread and made notes. I was ready to order, but ran into an unplanned expense. I've never heard the Yamiko IRL, but would love to this summer when I'm in Dallas! The answer is "yes" people have gone from one sensor to 2 and have gone on about it.

BUT, I know you and I remember you telling me in your practice space that you were ready to not have all of "this stuff" on your gigs. It seems to me, the rabbit hole with Yamahiko is this:

It's the best piezo pickup ever, bar none! But, you can add the 2nd sensor, but wait, you can split the signal and reverse the phase and send each signal to your Felix and WAIT, what you really need to do is blend it with a mic and bounce the whole thing off of the International Space Station and then bring the signal back into your powered speaker, which should be at a 39.2 degree axis to a braided ficus tree that you bring with you to every gig...

If it's really the best piezo pickup of all times, which I don't doubt, then I think YOU PERSONALLY should resist chasing better. :) But, maybe I'm being presumptuous and you've been gigging with it. My plan was single element into my amp, focus on playing better.
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The single sensor sounds REALLY good. I not only don't want the second sensor because I don't think I need it, but also, put me in the simple as possible camp. I get by just fine with an Fdeck, combo amp, and DI.
 
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TroyK, Yup you nailed it. I (chief rabbit) went down the rabbit hole (which led to a warren) because it was fun, I really like the way this system is built and I wanted to try all the different configurations. But, as I have said, one sensor sounds great. Maybe best for most things. I am about to have a single sensor Y put on my American Standard and I don't think I will ever need or want the other one for it.
I saw a video yesterday of Eric Harland playing full out and in the backround I could see (but not hear) the bass player pulling away in a kind of desperation, it looked like flailing on pedal tones to me...I know it well. I don't play with Eric but I do play with busy drummers and the dual pickup into the Felix can pleasantly, musically cut into that wall of sound and insert itself in the right part of the spectrum, clearly...in it's defense....
 
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#716
Everything I own is breaking at the same time and it seems my Gage Soundclip has joined the party. I either bought it or traded for it in our classifieds so long ago that I don't remember, so it's lived a full life I guess.

Unless something that I don't currently see shows up in the classifieds for super-cheap, it looks like I'll be joining the Yamahiko gang, single element, presumably on the E side.

Is there something I am supposed to know to ask for on the cable? A hot one vs a lowered output one or something?II have read all 36 pages of this thread, but don't have it in me to do it again.
 
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TroyK said:
Everything I own is breaking at the same time and it seems my Gage Soundclip has joined the party. I either bought it or traded for it in our classifieds so long ago that I don't remember, so it's lived a full life I guess.

Unless something that I don't currently see shows up in the classifieds for super-cheap, it looks like I'll be joining the Yamahiko gang, single element, presumably on the E side.

Is there something I am supposed to know to ask for on the cable? A hot one vs a lowered output one or something?II have read all 36 pages of this thread, but don't have it in me to do it again.
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I suggest this Yamahiko reduced output cable
C=3300pF(3.3nF), ATT=12.5dB (about 1/4 Voltage)
With my Genzler MG350 and TC BAM200 the standard cable output was too hot
 

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