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Double Bass Yamahiko Double Bass Pickup

I just pooped for a single sensor Yamahiko. Regular wire, I'll order one of the low options later if I feel like I need it.

Got that coming from Japan and a Robpin coming from Germany. Weird times.

The yen is weak vs USD right now. It was about $35 extra for the Yamahiko vs a Full Circle, including shipping from Japan. Actually, I would have paid sales tax on the Fishman, so unless I get a bill from Customs, they were basically the same price.
 
I just pooped for a single sensor Yamahiko. Regular wire, I'll order one of the low options later if I feel like I need it.

Got that coming from Japan and a Robpin coming from Germany. Weird times.

The yen is weak vs USD right now. It was about $35 extra for the Yamahiko vs a Full Circle, including shipping from Japan. Actually, I would have paid sales tax on the Fishman, so unless I get a bill from Customs, they were basically the same price.
Good call! Both the yamahiko single sensor and Robpin are on my bass and I love them both!
 
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Hi. I’m looking to buy a single sensor type pick up but should I get one with reduced output cable?
I’m using Realist lifeline right now. How is it compared to lifeline?

I actually live couple of miles from the workshop but it seems they are not opened for visitors.
 
Yamahiko installed. Did it myself, wasn't a big deal, but it it made me uncomfortable. It's the first time I've dropped my bridge do any work.

I labeled every piece of the bridge and it's orientation with painter's tape and put tape on the table to mark the bridge feet position. Soundpost didn't fall. I can't tell if it moved, but I doubt it. If it sounds off, I can always take it in for an adjustment. The rest of the installation was pretty simple and aside from my maniacal planning and prep, it probably took about 15 minutes.

A few notes on the Yamahiko: The adjusters are thicker than the ones that were on my bass. By my calipers, the non-sensor side adjuster was 8mm thick and the side with the sensor was a bit thicker still. My legacy adjusters are 5.2mm thick and the Realist Lifeline that I took off was another 2mm, so it worked out pretty close, but I did lose a little bit of adjustable range. If that becomes a problem, I can always have a bit of bridge removed, but it probably won't.

Also, regarding the debate about whether the sensor is on the threaded side or the non-threaded side: here's what each side looks like:

Yamahiko post.jpg
Yamahiko threads.jpg



This makes it really look like the piezo is on the non-threaded side, but I suppose it could have been inserted from the post side, but run all the way through.

Will experiment with it today and have a gig with it tomorrow.
 
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Okay, first gig thoughts. I used my Wizzy M-Line cab and EA Micro head. I kept that tone controls flat after twiddling a bit. I did run it through an fDeck HPF.

It is a very hifi pickup. It's been too many years since I've had a Full Circle to make a direct comparison, but I'll go as far as to say that it doesn't remind me very much of the Full Circle. It's a long way from either of the Realist pickups, I've used both. The great thing about both the original Realist and Lifeline is that I feel like you can plug them directly into anything and they're going to sound like a bass. They're not very dynamic and so they may come sonically in and out of a band/stage mix, just like your bass would if you were playing acoustically, but not necessarily like you would want them to. But, they're great, no muss/no fuss/sounds good-let's go pickups.

The Yamahiko reminds me more of the Stat-B. Very hifi, very dynamic. I could play softly and it would pick that up, I could overplay it and get a volume spike that I didn't intend. The Stat-B was too dynamic for me, feedback, proprietary pre-amp, and it has to be fitting just so and you can't bump it or else. The Yamahiko in comparison is out of the way and not fiddly at all, but sonically that clarity is there and those dynamics are right there, under your fingers. I think that's going to be a good thing, but I'm going to have to learn to play with it a bit. It could be that I've been sloppy on some things and they were getting covered up, now they won't be.

With my 4 month old Spirocores and this pickup, I've never heard pitch so clearly. It was just jumping off the fingerboard and up to my ear.

I think I'm going to like it, but I need to start accumulating experience with it.

I do think that I'm going to have to get some real estate removed from my bridge to compensate for the added thickness of the wheels. The strings are old-school high and I kind of dig it. It sounds great, but it sucks in thumb position and I just don't think that's where they need to be...but maybe they need to be a bit higher than I had them.
 
Just to be clear, you have the Yamahiko on the bass side? Also, can you talk more about the volume spikes when you dig in? Thanks!

Yes, single sensor on the E side.

I need to play it more to comment on the volume spikes. By the end of the night, I either had it tuned in so that it wasn't happening or I adjusted my play a bit. There may not be anything there, but it's not plug and play like a Realist. On the other hand, the clarity and capabilities are much less dull than those pickups.
 
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As a Yamahiko user for a number of years now (sometimes both sides, sometimes one side or the other) I have to say that I am tiring a bit of the hifi/string sound. I recently put a copper Realist on just to experiment and I have to say that at this point I am liking it better (of course it's very possible that I just like change!). The attack/decay of the Realist sounds and feels much more natural to me. The Yamahiko seems to add more sustain/mwah especially to the lower strings. They both need EQ in different ways - Yama needs a cut in mids for sure, Realist needs a cut in bass or more HPF than you would think. For some reason I feel like I can dig in a bit more with the Realist, or the sound makes me want to dig in like I was playing acoustically. Just musing about what I am feeling on my bass at this moment - this too may change!
 
Okay, so nearly acoustic trio gig last week, rehearsal on the weekend and then big room gig last night with FOH sound.

The first thing I'm going to say is that these adjusters are 3mm thicker than the ones they replaced and I have an appointment Monday to remove about that much bridge to compensate. I like my strings higher than it seems most people do, but it's a lot of work right now. I can always adjust them back up there post-op, but right now it's bottomed out and it's really too high.

For the trio gig the pickup was okay. I did notice that it was a bit hot, but it was a low volume gig and I just kept the gain on my amp down. The drummer commented that he thought we sounded great. I was unsure, but I do have to note that most of my gear things over the year have failed to garner any comment from anyone on a difference.

For that gig and the rehearsal, I took my Wizzy M-Line and my EA Micro head. I really had to twiddle to get a sound that I liked and in the end I had rolled the single midband control WAY DOWN. I got reasonably comfortable with the tone, but the guitar player complimented it several times and the final thing that he said was "it's just good to be able to actually hear you", which I thought was an interesting comment.

For the gig last night, I thought I would try my iAMP, since it has a 4 band parametric eq. I've never felt confident using it and have posted here before about needing to learn how to eq. All of you have offered helpful advice like "it's easy" and "just listen for the frequency that is objectionable and then isolate it and tune it down, duh". I'm just stupid enough that it didn't help, though.

But a funny thing happened, the Yamahiko sounded great with the eq flat... =^|

So, I got to the gig early, put my amp up on a chair and plugged it in. It sounded pretty good. I played with the two midbands and did cut specific frequencies slightly and was really happy with the sound. Huh. When the band sound checked, I actually put some of that back in and during the 2nd set made a small adjustment to change the specific frequency that I was cutting. Most of the night, I was unaware. It sounded good in the way that any other night sounds good. We did have general sound problems, but we always do on that stage. When I soloed is when I really noticed how full and even my tone was. I've never heard that before, it was just there for me. Very musical, very present and clear.

The sound guy said afterward that it was the best doublebass sound that he's ever gotten and it was easy for him with very little eq. (I did send him a post-eq DI signal) But, I have to count all of that as a win for the Yamahiko.

The fdeck hpf helps, a lot. I might even go so far as to say it is necessary. I have been carrying one for years, but don't often use it, because I don't always see the point. I think it's critically necessary now. It might soften the input and/or somehow help with the impedance and it definitely keeps those lowest frequencies from running wild. I occasionally, but rarely had the problem with the Realist, the Lifeline or the Full Circle. I also have a Tech21 paradriver that I never really thought helped DB all that much, but I'm interested in exploring it with this pickup. I think the pickup needs attention, it's not plug and play.

I have favored play and play pickups. The Realist for example works almost identically with any amp. It's going to sound mostly the same and it's a good sound. It's not a great sound, it's not hifi. If you don't like it in a room or on a night, there's not a lot you're going to be able to do about it in my experience, but it's great for backline and not hassling with your sound. The Lifeline is similar. The Full Circle is better, but still pretty plug and play in my experience. I wonder if this is why eq always confused me so much, it was hard to make a big difference in my sound with those pickups. When they were good they were good, when they were bad, I was usually unable to fix them, most nights they were fine.

I briefly tried the Stat-B a couple of different times and the Yamahiko reminds me most of it. Very hi-fi, very dynamic, not plug and play, but it feels way more capable. Unlike the Stat-B it's easy to install, assuming that you already have bridge adjusters (and you have enough space in your bridge to accommodate the added thickness). Getting the gain right is going to be important, but it doesn't seem difficult so far. I think probably your amp is going to matter more than with some pickups. HPF is vital and maybe I wasn't the problem with eq, maybe there just wasn't enough there for the eq to work with before. It seems to make sense now and I'm encouraged by what I've got to work with here.

Looking forward to dropping my strings back down a few mm's and I am dealing with too much change at once. I'm adjusting to a RobPin (different post on that) and this string height. But as those things settle in, I think I'm going to be at home with the Yamahiko.
 
Okay, so nearly acoustic trio gig last week, rehearsal on the weekend and then big room gig last night with FOH sound.

The first thing I'm going to say is that these adjusters are 3mm thicker than the ones they replaced and I have an appointment Monday to remove about that much bridge to compensate. I like my strings higher than it seems most people do, but it's a lot of work right now. I actually like the acoustic sound at this height, but it's too much work, especially in higher registers. I can always adjust them back up there post-op, but right now it's bottomed out and it's really too high.

For the trio gig the pickup was okay. I did notice that it was a bit hot, but it was a low volume gig and I just kept the gain on my amp down. The drummer commented that he thought we sounded great. I was unsure, but I do have to note that most of my gear things over the year have failed to garner any comment from anyone on a difference.

For that gig and the rehearsal, I took my Wizzy M-Line and my EA Micro head. I really had to twiddle to get a sound that I liked and in the end I had rolled the single midband control WAY DOWN. I got reasonably comfortable with the tone, but the guitar player complimented it several times and the final thing that he said was "it's just good to be able to actually hear you", which I thought was an interesting comment.

For the gig last night, I thought I would try my iAMP, since it has a 4 band parametric eq. I've never felt confident using it and have posted here before about needing to learn how to eq. All of you have offered helpful advice like "it's easy" and "just listen for the frequency that is objectionable and then isolate it and tune it down, duh". I'm just stupid enough that it didn't help, though.

But a funny thing happened, the Yamahiko sounded great with the eq flat... =^|

So, I got to the gig early, put my amp up on a chair and plugged it in. It sounded pretty good. I played with the two midbands and did cut specific frequencies slightly and was really happy with the sound. Huh. When the band sound checked, I actually put some of that back in and during the 2nd set made a small adjustment to change the specific frequency that I was cutting. Most of the night, I was unaware. It sounded good in the way that any other night sounds good. We did have general sound problems, but we always do on that stage. When I soloed is when I really noticed how full and even my tone was. I've never heard that before, it was just there for me. Very musical, very present and clear.

The sound guy said afterward that it was the best doublebass sound that he's ever gotten and it was easy for him with very little eq. (I did send him a post-eq DI signal) But, I have to count all of that as a win for the Yamahiko.

The fdeck hpf helps, a lot. I might even go so far as to say it is necessary. I have been carrying one for years, but don't often use it, because I don't always see the point. I think it's critically necessary now. It might soften the input and/or somehow help with the impedance and it definitely keeps those lowest frequencies from running wild. I occasionally, but rarely had the problem with the Realist, the Lifeline or the Full Circle. I also have a Tech21 paradriver that I never really thought helped DB all that much, but I'm interested in exploring it with this pickup. I think the pickup needs attention, it's not plug and play.

I have favored play and play pickups. The Realist for example works almost identically with any amp. It's going to sound mostly the same and it's a good sound. It's not a great sound, it's not hifi. If you don't like it in a room or on a night, there's not a lot you're going to be able to do about it in my experience, but it's great for backline and not hassling with your sound. The Lifeline is similar. The Full Circle is better, but still pretty plug and play in my experience. I wonder if this is why eq always confused me so much, it was hard to make a big difference in my sound with those pickups. When they were good they were good, when they were bad, I was usually unable to fix them, most nights they were fine.

I briefly tried the Stat-B a couple of different times and the Yamahiko reminds me most of it. Very hi-fi, very dynamic, not plug and play, but it feels way more capable. Unlike the Stat-B it's easy to install, assuming that you already have bridge adjusters (and you have enough space in your bridge to accommodate the added thickness). Getting the gain right is going to be important, but it doesn't seem difficult so far. I think probably your amp is going to matter more than with some pickups. HPF is vital and maybe I wasn't the problem with eq, maybe there just wasn't enough there for the eq to work with before. It seems to make sense now and I'm encouraged by what I've got to work with here.

Looking forward to dropping my strings back down a few mm's and I am dealing with too much change at once. I'm adjusting to a RobPin (different post on that) and this string height. But as those things settle in, I think I'm going to be at home with the Yamahiko.
As per the Yamahiko website the adjusters should not be bottomed out. There should be no wood touching wood for the best sound.
 
Okay, so I'll come back to last night's gig.

This is a good pickup. What initially drew me to it was the way it is mounted on the bass and the claims of quality of construction and I'm not disappointed. It is a precision machined component that feels like it enhances my setup rather than something flimsy or awkward attached to it. The only issue I have in this regard is that my bridge needed some material removed to accommodate the added thickness. I'd also like a clean way to attach and remove the jack when I wasn't using it. For now, I have it mounted to the tailpiece and it's not a big deal to take it off, but it involves enough effort that I'm just leaving it on there. I may play with velcro at some point, but it's not bothering me.

Sonically it is hot, but I don't think that's a problem for now. I'm able to control it. Someone did post a video clip of my gig last night and I noticed that I was very tender with my right hand, so I wonder if I was holding back, but practicing today I don't see a reason that it shouldn't be manageable as is.

It is very hifi, much moreso than any other pickup I've used except the Stat-B. With the 4 band parametric eq on my iAmp, I can dial in the tone I want and have it sound like whatever I want it to. This is something I've never been good at and I'm mostly convinced that it's because the pickups I've been using were already voiced and frequencies that I'm adjusting now maybe just weren't there before. I've not been using my micro head which has a basic 3-band low-mid-high eq and it's possible that I won't with this pickup. The more powerful eq, at least for now seems to be important. As is a hpf, which is something else that I've never thought was as important as everyone says, but I used off and on, usually with bad stages, but I would not go out without it with the Yamahiko right now. I think that it's also impedance buffering, which might be part of it. I've experimented with my SansAmp paradriver at home and I like some things about it, but it doesn't replace the hpf and I can't get my brain around eq on a pedal and another eq on the amp. Seems overkill or at least complicated. I do wonder if there is an ideal pre-amp for this pickup that will a) buffer impedence b) give you hpf and c) help you control those frequencies.

At home, in addition to the hpf, I drop the bass -5 at about 60 hz, and cut low-mid a little bit to manage the bloom and hi-mid to reduce the string noise. I can make it dark like a Realist, but don't, just sweep and dial in the sound I want. On the last two gigs, I've ended up putting those frequencies back in to get to a similar sound. I don't think I'm quite dialed in on this yet, but I like what I'm hearing and knowing that I have that control. I just need to get better at it.

I've tried going into the active input on my amp, but it didn't seem to make things better in any way.

But, it's not magic. On the gig last night, there wasn't a great place for amp. We were kind of pushed into a corner and it generally sounded too dark or too diffuse to me, but I don't think it would have been different with another pickup, I just couldn't get myself in a position where I was hearing the amp the way that the room was.

The thing that kept me from moving on this pickup before now was the cost, but it was about $30 more than a Realist Lifeline or Full Circle based on the exchange rate, so my timing was good in that regard.

I don't see questioning my purchase or going away from it. I do think it's going to require a little more attention than the types of pickups I have preferred, but I might be ready for that. What's bothering me right now is too much change. I added the RobPin and reshaped the bridge when I was creating accommodation for this pickup and it's a lot to adjust to at once. I think all of it will be better than the alternatives once I'm through it, though.