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Yes, this is ridiculous.....

I've got a two thirds of that in my music room. I've never chained them together..... I can say that the rig looks like he means business. And sometimes, depending on the music, it's necessary.
Marshals can be ears splitting weapons of mass destruction in the wrong hands. They can also deliver some of the sweetest guitar tone. A lot of it is the combination of the sealed cabinets and heavy iron. Like an SVT.... If your guitar player requires power tube saturation and speaker breakup to reach his goal, it will be too much.
If he uses dirt boxes, and runs them pretty clean, it can be an awesome full sound that's hard to beat....
 
I asked him what that was... he said, and I quote, "That is a VARIAC. I have a power conditioner for spikes and cleaning the sin wave then the VARIAC for putting in an exact 120VAC. I set up the bias for the amps to be at 70% with 120 VAC input. AC changes from location to location. I've seen it drop to 110 in some places and as high as 127 in others. That will easily change the bias by as much as 10% which is real apparent."

I’m concerned that the VariAC he is using is too small for what he is doing. He should be using one rated at around 15A for safety. Guitar players really are a strange bunch! :D

Thing is that having set the output voltage to 120V, as he plays louder and the amps draw more current that voltage WILL drop just as much as if he was plugged right into the wall. The VariAC can adjust for higher, or lower to some extent, mains voltage but is not a voltage regulator.
 
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Something like this....
 
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The early Frank Zappa anecdote I told you about, ended up in that he could play louder on stage due (or thanks to) the sub volume the guitar amps had to have on stage later on. He finally understood that even if you have 100 W Marshalls, when mic'd up it goes through a 3-4000 Watt of MONITOR ON STAGE gear, and thus could play way louder than any guitar amp. He could mic up a 50W and get monstrous sound through the wedge monitors anyway, with way more dynamics and detail, than ANY guitar amp. All others heard him to and the sound out front became clearer. They found out he could get way louder, than if he had cranked his amp. He finally subdued.

I think there's the culprit of todays mentality altogether. Those amps where for the days where you had no PA .... does anyone remembers when lead vocalists had to use TWO mices when singing? Yepp, one for left and the other for right. And today, with massive amount of watts in the PA and even monitor systems, certain loudness is uncalled for. Same with 15 " bass bins on stage. Monitor and FOH sound guys hates this. It just rumbles into all other mics, and you'll get the low end from the PA speakers anyway. It's directionless. You can't isolate anything below 50 Hz on stage anyway, it justs travels about... but now for that guitar. I think still Rush manages to stir up a pretty monstruous sounds these days, without any CAB on stage. AMPS they do have, but runs them through simulators and stuff. Geddy's getting all the ooomph he needs. The only thing heard on stage acoustically is the drums.
 
Sunn O))) should need one or two rotary subwoofer systems... doesn't look that much...

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But moves air below 20 hz a mile away at 120 db... most things shakes really and is felt rather than hurt/heard...
 
Honcho...
I read both your comments, and you are correct on many points. Zappa, Rush and many others are fantastic bands/musicians. However, their tones and stage systems are all unique to themselves. I live in the Detroit area, and we have many clubs/bars/music theaters that book some great stoner/doom rock type bands. I was always in awe of the tonal characteristics from the large stacks from these bands. Huge Marshalls, Orange, Ampeg.... etc. Yes, they were loud.... but, they sounded great. We have access to low wattage amps (45 watt Traynor YBA-1 w/2 15" & 25 watt homemade guitar amp w/2-12 cab), and yes they do get pretty loud.... but, they just do not sound the same. Yes, his guitar amps are excessive.... but, volumes are controlled. We have never had a angry soundman, and we do take time to discuss with them what we have and what we do. We do not have problems with loading, setting up and tear down.... we have roadies and everything is preplanned. Our methods are 'old school' and outdated for today's technology, but, that's exactly what we are going for and how we like it. We portray the spirit of the late 60's, 70's and early 80's in our show. 3 Marshall stacks is ridiculous? Sure....but, that is the fun of it.
Some here respond with "idiot", "fire him", "know where to stick your tribute band" and questioning my friendship with my guitar player. That's fine.... fair enough. I did ask "Any thoughts?" My original post was about my amp and was leaning towards on how to Insure myself on my own presence with his beast of a rig. Aside from some light hearted jokes, I am not going to acknowledge anyone who seriously thinking that my guitarist is a unreasonable stupid person. That is simply not true.
We are 3 guys and a woman, who have A LOT of fun putting on a 'old school' rock show, with the good and bad that comes from It.If anybody is in the Detroit area, come to one of our shows and see for yourself.
 
but, volumes are controlled.
Well, this reassures me that those stacks aren't in fact pushed to all their volume potential. If your guitarist likes a certain something from the wall of speakers but is far from diming the heads, no argument from me. :)
(But if a substantial increase in volume is effected anyway by the third stack, you may in turn have to increase your speaker area.)
 
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Im so glad those days are gone.i use a MB 300 watt single 15 combo for my bass our guitar player a 30 Vox tube head/single 12 and our board player a 100watt solid state head/12 plus horn drummer uses light sticks.We all respect and enjoy each others tones.Its awesome :)
I use to use combo amps for open blues jams that I would frequently attend. I use to have a Peavey TNT that I used in a church band. You can get some great flavors out of small amps.
 
Honcho...
I read both your comments, and you are correct on many points. Zappa, Rush and many others are fantastic bands/musicians. However, their tones and stage systems are all unique to themselves. I live in the Detroit area, and we have many clubs/bars/music theaters that book some great stoner/doom rock type bands. I was always in awe of the tonal characteristics from the large stacks from these bands. Huge Marshalls, Orange, Ampeg.... etc. Yes, they were loud.... but, they sounded great. We have access to low wattage amps (45 watt Traynor YBA-1 w/2 15" & 25 watt homemade guitar amp w/2-12 cab), and yes they do get pretty loud.... but, they just do not sound the same. Yes, his guitar amps are excessive.... but, volumes are controlled. We have never had a angry soundman, and we do take time to discuss with them what we have and what we do. We do not have problems with loading, setting up and tear down.... we have roadies and everything is preplanned. Our methods are 'old school' and outdated for today's technology, but, that's exactly what we are going for and how we like it. We portray the spirit of the late 60's, 70's and early 80's in our show. 3 Marshall stacks is ridiculous? Sure....but, that is the fun of it.
Some here respond with "idiot", "fire him", "know where to stick your tribute band" and questioning my friendship with my guitar player. That's fine.... fair enough. I did ask "Any thoughts?" My original post was about my amp and was leaning towards on how to Insure myself on my own presence with his beast of a rig. Aside from some light hearted jokes, I am not going to acknowledge anyone who seriously thinking that my guitarist is a unreasonable stupid person. That is simply not true.
We are 3 guys and a woman, who have A LOT of fun putting on a 'old school' rock show, with the good and bad that comes from It.If anybody is in the Detroit area, come to one of our shows and see for yourself.

Everything has its place. If you do play arena gigs or at least 12500 seaters it's no problem. But there are too many bands that doesn't get it, but should insist on playing in a club with low roof and 50 seater. The thing is that you can't dime the volume on stacks or high wattage amps. It doesn't sound the same. I was in charge once as a FOH at a pub/club that had outdoor patio concerts during the summer. It faced a park and a lake so it was pretty far away for anyone neighbor to complain. I could not get the PA to sound good, so the next evening I decided to run the stage monitors as FOH instead and only then the sound came together. You can't play low in a overdone PA with speakers that can take 1000W each. They don't/won't move until you crank them.

I find it peculiar that once musicians were in awe for new technology back in the 50s, new amps, new guitars, and especially new sounds, so I find it very peculiar why that stance should still stay in the late 60's early 70's... or even around 80's as you do. As that should be a yardstick for good or great sound forever and ever. The technology has evolved big time since. As I've said, I shake my head to real famous ones too, the guitards. It's a thing of the very old days to have amps and stacks on stage, as there were no PA in those days. Plus this, is there any band who uses stacks today, chances are that they are dummy stacks. Even Yngwie plays dummy stacks.

I for one, me myself I, it has slowly dawned on me that I just like my sound coming out from one speaker element only. As fast as it is 4x10 4x12 or 8x10 I feel a phase anomaly occurs, and on bass this is a bad thing. I dislike chorus on bass too, and so I want the bass coming from a "mono source" so to speak. Just one speaker, be it 1x12 or even 1x15. As fast as I stack two 1x12 cabs on top, the sound dispersion changes in a way that I dislike, I have to stand 8-10 meters in front of it before it starts to sound reasonably good, but then I am out in the audience. No matter how high end or top notch the cab and speaker is...

You can actually try to find any band, that has connected and play through those stacks of Marshalls live. Before they made dummy props of them, they actually had amps stacked but they werent connected or turned on even. Some may have used one or two as spares ready to go on the fly, if their main rig should fry during a song.

Tell tale, why is only one speaker mic'd up? ;)

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Yngwies rig.

And what a bummer if a stage hand should happen to mic up these ones...?

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Oh, that's why they're telling them tards to turn up all of the time, 'cause the FOH man doesn't get any signal...;)
 
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Looks like some sort of horn loaded stack.

I have an ancient vhs tape somewhere with this gig on it :-)
Bass rig looks like horns driven by a pair of Hiwatts.
If I recall correctly Jon lords organ uses a pair of Leslies and a fender twin reverb, so he's not caught up in the horse power race.

The look of multiple stacks is undoubtedly a look of rock and roll.
 
Does anyone remembers when lead vocalists had to use TWO mices when singing? Yepp, one for left and the other for right.

This is a digression from the thread, but I always thought that the reason you see singers using two mics taped together in old concert footage was because one was for the FOH system while the other went to the recording console. Mixers weren't very sophisticated in those days.