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Yet another one didn't work out....

If you guys go way back, you need to have a short Long Talk. Then just like the Launch crew at Cape Kennedy, you will arrive at the 'Go / No Go' point.

My gut feeling (which could certainly be completely wrong) from what I'm reading, is that you can guys can still go do best bud things if this duo thing doesn't wreck it . . . but playing together, unless he suddenly GETS IT, is done.

That's exactly where I'm at. I just don't see that changing. I knew it could be an issue going in, I had a talk about it prior to playing out, it was an issue at both gigs, and it's turned into a bigger issue.

I know I can't change people, I'm not sure if I was trying to, I just recognized the possibility of an issue. Well there's issues. Like someone else said, even saying GO TO YOUR MIC, and then sticking to it a second time would have been more than enough for me to be done. In my head I've been done since that day.

Today I came clean, no change from him. If we're buddies so be it, we really mesh well in most every st m situation. If it ruins the friendship so be it there's really no choice from my perspective, but I really don't see that happening. I think I gave it my best so l shot, especially with you guys advising me not to be a wimp about it...

Thank You Again !!!!!
 
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Why are bassists so afraid to have any kind of conversation? If you bailed on the duo, tell him. If you haven't turned in notice, you really haven't quit, your just simmering until the next time you get together.
My band mates would likely tell you that not all bassists are afraid to have a “conversation” when necessary. :eyebrow:
 
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He could be gaslighting you. He also could be honestly misremembering what happened. It's also remotely possible that you are. In any case, some of the other components of this musical relationship might easily be deal-breakers for many of us. We each get to decide how much bs we'll tolerate. I'd do what brings me contentment.
 
My band mates would likely tell you that not all bassists are afraid to have a “conversation” when necessary. :eyebrow:
I hear you. Maybe my expectations are too high, I deff
It sounds to me like you were looking for something to be wrong.

Really, couldn't you have just rolled with the song and had the "You're not the boss of me" conversation later?

I did. After he said he'd walk off stage I returned to the mic and played my ass off with a smile. It was the only thing I could come up with to stay as professional as possible and give the crowd the best we could. I acted like all was fantastic. I didn't bring it up until the ride home. I dropped him off, went back up and watched the main attraction with my buddy. 7 piece southern rock band that was incredibly friendly and sounded great. Once the bassist and I found out we were both bassists he practically insisted I play the next song lol that was a first. Truth be told I said I had enough stage time but thanks, he was really killing it up there, and singing leads as well. Overall a very great day, I just put the business on the back burner...
 
My buddy and I have played for years together. He's always been front man. Plays rythym guitar and know lyrics to quite a few songs.

For years we just messed around, he played and sang whatever he wanted, I played bass and sang backup harmonies.

We've both been in bands and the drama that goes with it. I suggested we form a duo. I've been working on a lot of my own songs now, as well as playing guitar rythym, leads, lyrics to the songs we've done and more of my own. My goal is to be able to go solo when and if I ever choose to. I do like playing with others.

When we formed as a duo I said he's gonna have to realize this is a partnership, not me just backing him. He agreed but it went in one ear and out the other.

The second gig we played he at one point started playing a song. Just strumming one chord. I said what song ? He said get to the mic. I said what song, again and this time with more robust he said get to your mic. I must have stared daggers, he then said 'I'll walk off stage right now, I'll do it'.

I went back to my mic and gave the best I could for the last set. Going home I reiterated what was said. When I got to the part about him saying he'd leave the stage he denied it. I said so what I heard you say wasn't said, it was something else? Yep.

We are buddies, we hang out, do different things together, but I was doing ALL the work. Setup, break down, got the first two gigs, my equipment and truck, he never offered to go less than 50/50 on the pay. But the real issue is him threatening to leave the stage, then lying and thinking it'll work out.

At the moment he said he'd walk off I knew I was through. I'll never play another gig with him. I'll already playing with other people and still practicing my solo material. Got a set of harmonicas and having a ball.

Like I said, I'll never play another gig with him. I'm pretty pissed at his behavior but not all that surprised. I haven't told him we're done. I could if I wanted to but I don't think I owe him that after what he pulled then lying about it.

I guess I'm just sharing a story and venting, chances are if I don't go out getting gigs we'll never play anyway. I know it's usually fair to be up front and honest with people but in this particular situation I've granted myself a pardon, and I don't feel the least bit guilty.

Other more experienced people I know that play out have said more than once to get rid of the anchor, and I think they are right.

Just gotta keep pushing forward. We get along pretty good but in a performance setting he seems to think he just has to show up and play...I need someone who has my back, to back me both career wise and musically. He's just not capable and I accept it. I knew going in it may or may not work out. It didn't and I think knowing that was a real possibility going in made it a whole lot easier to accept....

I too work with a guitar player who does most of the singing. However, he gets really pissed if I do more than just pull the gear out of my van, and he'd do that too if I would let him. He packs everything to the stage (area) and helps with cabling, teardown, and load-out. We have a blast at every show, make a little money and get to hang out with a bunch cool folks.
 
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You ask him what song and he says "get to the mic"? You repeat your question and get the same response. I'd walk right then and there - he's an a-hole. I'm old and i have no patience for that kind of stupidity.
Maybe get to the mic was the name of the song.

Gotta love solitude, that’s what I get of this story. This guy ain’t no friend unless he has mental issues that may explain his behaviour. Friends don’t do that kind of stuff.
 
Yeah, expecting to know what song you're supposed to play next is such an unreasonable demand!

:rollno:

LOL!

They've been playing together for years - in exactly this type of situation. Other guy has been leading, OP has been backing and singing harmonies. Is it really unreasonable to think the OP would almost immediately know the song and fall in? I see it as two guys who have played together for years on stage and just having some fun. Playing whatever comes up, whatever fits the crowd, and just generally being entertaining.
 
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Far as I'm concerned it's worked out amicably.

Thanks for the help. Seriously. I knew where I was stuck and that was non negotiable.

I did what I needed to, and came clean yesterday.

Speaking of yesterday, I stopped over a buddies house last night, asked if I could play a few songs. This was my first informal gig, I've been practicing for awhile and figured I could do maybe 10 songs, maybe more.

I took this little Washburn guitar that is quiet, has a soft woody tone. I brought my harmonica gear. He set his stage lights up lol but once it got dark it was nice.

There were only 4 people there, but this was my maiden voyage. No substitute for live play. I played some of what I've been going over, I played 3 or 4 songs that I've been doing myself with the duo, met another musician who was very cool, I took a request or two. Played "You don't know how it feels" by Tom Petty for the first time, played "Free Falling" for the first time in years.

They seemed to enjoy it. I know I sure did. This is how it starts. It's where I'm going.
 
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