You guys need to know where you came from

[dougjwray]

Why is this thread still open?

Maybe the mods are waiting for 60 posts? C'mon, we're almost there.

This thread is still open because the "What's so good about Fender?!!" threads are a bit slow this morning.

 

[Jay Corwin]

Have you guys ever heard of SX (Essex) basses? I heard they are better than Fender, and only cost about 5 bucks.

 

[kingbee]

Jaco changed the electric bass more than almost any other musician has changed his instrument in ALL of history. I'm talking about Bird, Trane, Miles, Jimi etc. Until you know the history of your instrument, you have no right to comment on it.

This doofus should learn something about the history of other instruments. Les Paul and Louis Armstrong each blow Jaco away in terms of changing their instrument.

 

[nitrofix]

Until you know the history of your instrument, you have no right to comment on it.

I think the bass was around before Jaco.........

 

[dougjwray]

So... who here likes Fieldy? (Raise your hands...)

 

[RickenBoogie]

In before the lock. Interesting spin on the troll thread, 'cause you have a worshipper preaching to the whole congregation, but in a condecending, bitter tone. Very few converts are made that way. Oh, and a bass players solo album that doesn't suck, Chris Squire's "Fish out of Water". Great album, very un-bass-god like.

 

[dougjwray]

In before the lock. Interesting spin on the troll thread, 'cause you have a worshipper preaching to the whole congregation, but in a condecending, bitter tone. Very few converts are made that way. Oh, and a bass players solo album that doesn't suck, Chris Squire's "Fish out of Water". Great album, very un-bass-god like.

Good one. Here's another that doesn't suck (actually, it's one of my very favorite albums by anyone): "Harmony Row" by Jack Bruce.

 

[etechstan]

not to offend anyone but Jaco who? I have never listenened to anything he's done. From what I read here though he must have been a great musician. Does that affect my bass playing? I doubt it. I'm a big Geddy fan so I guess I can take the OP's original post and insert Geddy where ever he put Jaco and sound just as ignorant. I think if Jaco was still around we would have world peace and a cure for cancer too; right OP?

 

[malthumb]

...Oh, and a bass players solo album that doesn't suck, Chris Squire's "Fish out of Water". Great album, very un-bass-god like.

I STILL listen to Stanley Clarke's "School Days" album. And not just because of the title song. "Quiet Afternoon", "Hot Fun", and "Life Is Just A Game" are all musically interesting. Even though that album is now 35 years old. Unfortunately, "Life Is Just A Game" also proves that Stanley has no business ever trying to sing :scowl:

 

[Mr. Mig]

I was recently blown away by the # of ill informed posts concerning my friend

I am sure you were friends since you seem as crazy as him. Were you two in the same ward?

 

[Rickett Customs]

Ladies and Gentlemen I present:

 

[Marlat]

I was recently blown away by the # of ill informed posts concerning my friend and THE biggest innovator of the electric bass, Jaco Pastorius. Most of the comments were either, "I have not heard him," or " I saw him on You Tube." Wake up people. You Tube is a joke. This is a fact whether you like it or not, Jaco single handedly changed the way the electric bass was played and approached. He was as much of an innovator for the bass as Jimi Hendrix or John Coltrane were for their instruments. 99% hide behind phoney names and have zero accountability, but tell me, why would Victor Wooten, Victor Bailey, Steve Bailey, Brian Bromberg, John Pattitucci, Jimmy Haslip etc. all think the same way? Go buy a copy of Jaco's first solo album just called "Jaco Pastorius." Then get a copy of Weather Report's "Heavy Weather" and Joni Michtel's "Mingus" alsbum. I remember as kid listening to Jaco and Stanley Clarke around 1977 or so. At the time I knew that I really liked listening to Jaco far more than Stanley Clarke, but back then I didn't know why. The reason was melody. You can sing every one of Jaco's solos off of the "Heavy Weather" record when you walk down the street. Yes, Jaco had FREAKY chops, but that was about 10% of what he did. He made music. His playing on all of those Joni Mitchell albums at the time was mind blowing. If you play the electric bass and don't have Jaco as a major influence, you will NEVER work as a musician. I also suggest you not believe all the lies that have been told about the man over the years. Go buy Bill Millkowski's biography about Jaco and read it. Jaco died because of a mental illness. It was no different than having a heart illness, but the haters want to call him a "drug addict" and "alcoholic" etc. Jaco changed the electric bass more than almost any other musician has changed his instrument in ALL of history. I'm talking about Bird, Trane, Miles, Jimi etc. Until you know the history of your instrument, you have no right to comment on it.

Jaco, he's the dude who posts all those non-sequiter threads in Bassists and Technique and refuses to offer his own opinion on them right?

 

[D Rokk]

Musta-Krakish,
Musta-Krakish,

The time has come, to awaken him.

I call upon the ancient lords of the underworld,
To bring forth this beast and,

Awaken, awaken, awaken, awaken,
Take the land, that must be taken.
Awaken, awaken, awaken, awaken,
Devour worlds, smite forsaken

Rise up from your thousand year-old sleep,
Break forth from your grave eternally.

I command you to rise, rise, rise, rise,
rise, rise, rise, rise.

I'm the conjurer of demons,
I'm the father of your death.

I bring forth the ancient evil,
I control his every breath.

I instigate your misfortune,
With the birth of killing trolls.

I awaken armageddon,
Feeding on a thousand souls.

Awaken,
Awaken,
Awaken,
Awaken,

[Solo]

Musta-Krakish, (musta)
Musta-Krakish, (musta)
Musta-Krakish, (musta)
Musta-Krakish, (musta),

Musta-Krakish, (musta)
Musta-Krakish, (musta)
Musta-Krakish, (musta)
Musta-Krakish, (musta)

Awaken, awaken, awaken, awaken,
Take the land, that must be taken.
Awaken, awaken, awaken, awaken,
Devour worlds, smite forsaken

Rise up from your thousand year-old sleep,
Break forth from your grave eternally.

Weak will die and land will all be burned
Musta-Krakish king and death to worlds.

I command you to
Rise, rise, rise, rise, rise, rise, rise, rise,
Rise, rise, rise, rise, rise, rise, rise, rise,
And awaken.

 

[franzkafka]

I was recently blown away by the # of ill informed posts concerning my friend and THE biggest innovator of the electric bass, Jaco Pastorius. Most of the comments were either, "I have not heard him," or " I saw him on You Tube." Wake up people. You Tube is a joke. This is a fact whether you like it or not, Jaco single handedly changed the way the electric bass was played and approached. He was as much of an innovator for the bass as Jimi Hendrix or John Coltrane were for their instruments. 99% hide behind phoney names and have zero accountability, but tell me, why would Victor Wooten, Victor Bailey, Steve Bailey, Brian Bromberg, John Pattitucci, Jimmy Haslip etc. all think the same way? Go buy a copy of Jaco's first solo album just called "Jaco Pastorius." Then get a copy of Weather Report's "Heavy Weather" and Joni Michtel's "Mingus" alsbum. I remember as kid listening to Jaco and Stanley Clarke around 1977 or so. At the time I knew that I really liked listening to Jaco far more than Stanley Clarke, but back then I didn't know why. The reason was melody. You can sing every one of Jaco's solos off of the "Heavy Weather" record when you walk down the street. Yes, Jaco had FREAKY chops, but that was about 10% of what he did. He made music. His playing on all of those Joni Mitchell albums at the time was mind blowing. If you play the electric bass and don't have Jaco as a major influence, you will NEVER work as a musician. I also suggest you not believe all the lies that have been told about the man over the years. Go buy Bill Millkowski's biography about Jaco and read it. Jaco died because of a mental illness. It was no different than having a heart illness, but the haters want to call him a "drug addict" and "alcoholic" etc. Jaco changed the electric bass more than almost any other musician has changed his instrument in ALL of history. I'm talking about Bird, Trane, Miles, Jimi etc. Until you know the history of your instrument, you have no right to comment on it.

I hate you

 

[Bassman8416]

Wow....OP you opened up a can of worms. In your love for Jaco you managed to hit a nerve among fellow TBers. Jaco was an innovator in the jazz idiom and for the fretless bass. I was blessed to have seen him play at the Blue Note in NYC. It is to broad of a statement to claim anyone singlehandedly did this or that for music. There have been so many gifted musicians that have contributed to what we have today, many have been mentioned.
Don't take it personally if someone never heard of Jaco or doesn't share your views. I used to always want people to feel what i feel....hear what I hear, I have come to believe that isn't happening and i end up being very frustrated. Sometimes it is better to try to understand instead of being understood.

 

[BassSurfer]

This guy had to be wasted..lol

 

[Ebelow]

Thanks for this tread, after 30 years playing, now I must have to listen some Jaco tunes!
-if I want to be a real musician.

 

[Mr. Mig]

I hate you

Good solid response. LOL!!!!!!

 

[pyrohr]

What the OP does not understand is no matter how great he may think Jaco was Jaco was a bass players bassist. Jaco had great chops but chops aren't everything. Bassist like Jamerson and Kaye sold millions and millions of records playing with many different artist lending their musical abilities to the artists music. Think Whats going on by Marvin, I'm sure there are 1000 bass players playing that on gigs than are playing any one of Jaco's tunes!!! I believe if your bassplaying doesn't translate into music people want to hear or artist want to use on their tracks than you will end up like Jaco. People buy records and most don't care you can play 1000 notes in a phrase they want to be entertained and Jaco's entertainment lasted a couple of minutes! There are bassist like Larry Graham that changed the approach of bass playing and brought out a style called funk that a great majority of bassist try to emulate but without playing the funk bassist will still continue to work! Jaco as a bassist did great things, Jaco as a trend setter for all things to come would never happen! The public does not buy music because the bassist is the best thing since slice bread, they buy because they like the whole composition. Like Marcus Miller once said, you could learn how to play like Jaco but why!!!

 

[HamOnTheCob]

Base guitar sucks