You think the audience doesn't notice? Think again!

[mobdirt]

these are the kind of gigs i do is it that hard to ecxplain that some quiet is needed after?

 

[Whousedtoplay]

sorry i dont get what youre trying to say

And I truly believe that you are not getting my point.
And I know why...

 

[Son of Wobble]

Earlier in the year, I played a few gigs on TI flats; I call the resulting scandal "flatsgate." It ended when 8 or 9 regular fans out of a crowd of 100 approached me on set break and told me my bass sound went to crap, a sort of tone intervention, if you will. People do know the difference, especially people who see you all the time. None of these people were musicians. Back to rounds, I went, despite my own personal preference for flats.

Flatsgate! Love it.

 

[tfer]

Let me also play that devil's advocate.

I'M SO HAPPY THAT MY MUSIC HAS AUDIENCE!!! (not like some huge empty bedroom space )

Here is my next point.

How many of TB members could go and DANCE while playing the bass like JimmyM?
(Before, anybody tries to answer, please, check some of our "desperate" threads about "how to act on stage").

I don’t know about Jimmy’s dance skillz, but the best thing about being wireless, is having the ability to occasionally join the audience!

 

[mobdirt]

And I truly believe that you are not getting my point.
And I know why...

now im even more confused

 

[Spidey2112]

All of this.

I’m naturally outgoing, and enjoy mingling with the audience between sets. I always try to be approachable and do more than my share of introducing myself to anyone who is interested. My job as an entertainer doesn’t end at the front of the stage; it continues until I’m driving away at the end of the night.

Our whole band feels the same way.

In about 75% of the venues we play, a green room is available to us, and in about half of those, a runner is provided if we want drinks or food.

We never use them.

Walking around for 20 minutes and shaking hands is an enjoyable way to meet people and frankly, people remember how you treat them as much as they remember your music, which helps to ensure future gigs.

My type of people... especially, not using a 'runner', as I really don't want anyone referring to me as Cleopatra... unless, they're able to get a vast amount of green M&M's delivered...

 

[mobdirt]

i think i get it i should stay out of this discussion

 

[Whousedtoplay]

these are the kind of gigs i do is it that hard to ecxplain that some quiet is needed after?

OK, that's nice.
I assume that you ARE a musician and not some crew support.
Here is my take.
I've played quite a few similar gigs myself while touring.
I would divide it into two subsections.
1.I'm just hired to play the bass for this or that artist.
or
2. I'm playing my/our original/composed music.

If I'm just hired, then, I must pass the "testing"/audition and various requirements for this or that artist.
You need to be very flexible/"moldable" and sense the band's environment, etc...
I remember at least two artists - Vocalists - asked me to move less on stage in order not to distract any attention from the artist.
In short.
When hired, you must comply with the written/implied contract agreement/s.

If it's a band where I play a bigger role in terms of promoting our music, marketing it, etc..., I must have more "pleasantly-unpleasant" interaction/s with the audience. It comes with the territory.
BUT...

Even in the case of big venues, you would still encounter a few interactions with the audience. It could be local musicians, aspiring musicians, etc...

 

[mobdirt]

OK, that's nice.
I assume that you ARE a musician and not some crew support.
Here is my take.
I've played quite a few similar gigs myself while touring.
I would divide it into two subsections.
1.I'm just hired to play the bass for this or that artist.
or
2. I'm playing my/our original/composed music.

If I'm just hired, then, I must pass the "testing"/audition and various requirements for this or that artist.
You need to be very flexible/"moldable" and sense the band's environment, etc...
I remember at least two artists - Vocalists - asked me to move less on stage in order not to distract any attention from the artist.
In short.
When hired, you must comply with the written/implied contract agreement/s.

If it's a band where I play a bigger role in terms of promoting our music, marketing it, etc..., I must have more "pleasantly-unpleasant" interaction/s with the audience. It comes with the territory.
BUT...

Even in the case of big venues, you would still encounter a few interactions with the audience. It could be local musicians, aspiring musicians, etc...

hey i deleted that image wot
like i said all im looking for after a gig is the quickest stealthiest exit no matter whom i play for and yes maybe if i played music i wrote or something it would be different but im not so no need yet

 

[Rickter]

Respect the audience. They're the ones paying for you to play.

 

[Whousedtoplay]

now im even more confused

Let's start with my main point at TB.
I have no intention to argue with another musician.
I can only SHARE my knowledge, experience, ideas, vision, speculations, etc...
I've met a lot of musicians in my life - some of them were social, some of them were not-too-social.
Some of them were "nice to be around", some of them were not.
And those personal idiosyncrasies have played a (big) role in the hiring process.
As I've mentioned before, there are NUMEROUS(!) circumstances when you can avoid the audience and when you cannot.

 

[Son of Wobble]

hey i deleted that image wot
like i said all im looking for after a gig is the quickest stealthiest exit no matter whom i play for and yes maybe if i played music i wrote or something it would be different but im not so no need yet

Liam Gallagher ex-Oasis once boasted about being home in his jammies 30 minutes after playing to a crowd of 50 thousand Londoners.
Sounds like the perfect gig to me.

 

[mobdirt]

Let's start with my main point at TB.
I have no intention to argue with another musician.
I can only SHARE my knowledge, experience, ideas, vision, speculations, etc...
I've met a lot of musicians in my life - some of them were social, some of them were not-too-social.
Some of them were "nice to be around", some of them were not.
And those personal idiosyncrasies have played a (big) role in the hiring process.
As I've mentioned before, there are NUMEROUS(!) circumstances when you can avoid the audience and when you cannot.

sorry if i sounded argumentative i didnt mean to i understand what youre telling me.

 

[mobdirt]

Liam Gallagher ex-Oasis once boasted about being home in his jammies 30 minutes after playing to a crowd of 50 thousand Londoners.
Sounds like the perfect gig to me.

Ya see i get that, i mean i so obviously dont know the dude but i get why

 

[mobdirt]

..and thanks for deleting it

 

[Whousedtoplay]

hey i deleted that image wot
like i said all im looking for after a gig is the quickest stealthiest exit no matter whom i play for and yes maybe if i played music i wrote or something it would be different but im not so no need yet

Now, we are getting closer to my point.
Once again, when you are hired, you must comply with the regulations in the contract (written, assumed, implied, etc...).
And, usually, you don't need to play any (significant) role in marketing, promoting your music.
You just pack your instrument (if you pack yourself), get in the bus, and go to hotel, bar, etc...

 

[Son of Wobble]

I SAID, "Elvis has left the building," not "The king is going to come by the table after his set and make sure your chop was grilled ok."
Living gods simply don't do that!

 

[Whousedtoplay]

Liam Gallagher ex-Oasis once boasted about being home in his jammies 30 minutes after playing to a crowd of 50 thousand Londoners.
Sounds like the perfect gig to me.

Then,
GO AND GET IT!

What are your waiting for???

 

[Son of Wobble]

Ya see i get that, i mean i so obviously dont know the dude but i get why

Hollywood screenwriter Dalton Trumbo used to do all his composition in the tub.

I wanna do a three piece band like this.

 

[Whousedtoplay]

I SAID, "Elvis has left the building," not "The king is going to come by the table after his set and make sure your chop was grilled ok."
Living gods simply don't do that!

Dear Son of Wobble,
I doubt that you understand the circumstances when a musician has a regular gigs at the same venues.
And yes, sometimes(!) you are invited to the table, and sometimes it's very difficult to say NO (due to various cultural traditions, behavioral patterns).
And I understand that it's much easier and more secure to play in the bedroom.

Should I tell you my early memories from playing Gypsy funerals for three days and three nights and the music could stop only for MAXIMUM 10 minutes?
P.S. We used to make about/above $3,000 for that gig in the late 70's, 80's...