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"your rig or the gig is cancelled"

In 35 years of playing I've had speakers blown twice by other bands using my rig. Both times repair was promised and never delivered. Needless to say, no one uses my rigs now but me.

These days there's no excuse to not bring your own rig. Bass amps are smaller than ever.

I've also been called a prick more than once for not letting some spur of the moment sit in play my instruments. There's nothing worse than having someone sweat all over your axe and then put a big scrape on it.

I don't loan my wife out either. Link Removed
 
Around here, unless you get sucked into doing a "benefit" (the benefit being, of course, to some party other than the band) a group is expected to bring their own PA, instruments, amps, drums, and lights, and play four 45-minute sets. Multiple bands are unusual, but the local college has gigs that feature four or five a night -- these are not "jobs" (i e, paid) so don't concern me.

In other words, almost all my gigs feature my band as the one and only and my bass and rig as the one and only. I do have a story to tell, which should make people aware of the dangers.

I had a long tenure in a dance hall band as the bass player. It was a four piece, but the singer always wanted a backup singer who could sing the occasional lead. He recruited a guy who had been leading another band and was their lead singer. Our guy was happy with him, but friction surfaced when the new guy started to suggest material that he was comfortable with. First of all, he was one of those "I can take any song and put it in three chords" guys. Damned if he didn't prove it, too, to the horror of the rest of us (at our first practice where he brought in a song, he said, "I'll leave out the hard part in the chorus." "What's the hard part?" we all asked. "Well, it goes to Am in the chorus." I swear to God. He didn't like my bass playing, either. His approach to playing bass while singing was to play a rudimentary walking bass line to EVERY song. After listening to me play one evening, he said, "I guess you can't handle that walking bass." It's probably unnecessary to add that the band thought he was a real jackass. The band broke up -- this guy pretty much took the fun out of music, constantly trying to reduce what we did to the lowest common denominator (that would be him) -- and he and the lead player and drummer started a new band that practiced at the same place as me and the original singer and our cohorts. For what it's worth, the jackass's new band was FIRED from the local VFW! I didn't know it was possible to be THAT bad. Anyhow, I had left my Mesa/Boogie Walkabout Scout at the rehearsal place. Between my visits there, the jackass did a practice and played through the M/B. Perhaps I don't need to tell you that a Walkabout has a sophisticated, infinitely tweak-able EQ system, incorporating passive and active boost/cut along with a parametric section. It can take a few minutes to dial in the exact tone, but it is the Tone King, once you do.

The next time I plugged my bass into the M/B, I was rewarded with the most horrible sound I've ever heard from an amp. Our friend the educated jackass had used it (without asking, of course) and turned every knob on the amp to its clockwise limit. To this day (and this happened over a year ago) I cannot conceive of what he thought he was doing.

The Mesa/Boogie went home with me that night.:D

The lesson? Nothing is foolproof. Fools are too damn ingenious. Don't leave your gear where Stupid will find it, and don't lend it out.
 
There are shows where you are required to use the provided backline, shows where your rig can't do the job (eg too big or too small), and shows where logistics force you to hire some gear rather than using your own.

If your rig can't do the job, you shouldn't have taken the gig. I always take this into account when I am deciding whether to play a show. However, I do not play for a living. If I don't like the terms of a gig I just don't do it.

Plus in many cases you spend all this time working on your tone and what goes to FOH is a direct signal from your bass, bypassing all your hard work.
It's about how I feel about my sound. I am painfully aware that 80% of the audience can't tell if I am playing a Rickenbacker or a circular saw. That's not the point. The point is whether I am pleased with the sound I can hear myself making. It affects my entire mood for the gig. If the sound is weak, bad, crazy loud, whatever, I am conscious of it. I can't control FOH -- I am playing for the other two guys in the band so that we can all groove together.

And that is the only reason I do this. I'm very particular. I hardly ever make money doing this. It's a calling for me, not a career. So I just don't do gigs like that, where unreasonable requirements for the convenience of whoever are imposed on me.
 
It's weird hearing that a lot of colleges around you guys have bills with 4 or 5 bands playing a night. Here in Knox that sort of thing never happens. You might split a night with a DJ and have him go on when you go on break for about 20 minutes and then finish up the rest of the night when you're done. Most the bars around here know who the good musicians are and will only hire those bands bands/musicians - which makes me wonder how the hell I keep landing gigs :p
 
I'm with the OP 100% on this. Tough noogies for the rest of the bands, and shame on the promoter/organizer for trying to bully the OP into something.

If I choose to let another band use my rig (which usually only happens when I know the bassist from beforehand), that's my choice and my choice alone. Nobody tells me who does and does not use my rig.

My drummer feels the same way about his very good sounding (and very expensive) kit... in fact, our band has played a couple of multi-band events where his kit wound up being played by others (without his knowledge or prior consent), and he has made it very clear that that won't be happening anymore. Even if we lose a gig because of it.

My opinion is that if the promoter of a multi-band event doesn't have enough wherewithal to provide backline, it's a big red flag that they're out of their depth, and who knows how many other details are falling through the cracks?

Also, as others have noted here, just because some "headliner" has a certain level of name recognition doesn't mean they know jack about how to set up or take care of gear. I have multiple local drummer friends who all have at least one story to tell about some headliner's drummer playing their kit and causing significant damage, then copping an attitude when called on it. As if it's supposed to be some badge of honor that a B-list pro playing for some quasi-big name trashes your gear. When it comes to this matter there are idiots at every level of the food chain, right to the top.
 
It's weird hearing that a lot of colleges around you guys have bills with 4 or 5 bands playing a night. Here in Knox that sort of thing never happens. You might split a night with a DJ and have him go on when you go on break for about 20 minutes and then finish up the rest of the night when you're done. Most the bars around here know who the good musicians are and will only hire those bands bands/musicians - which makes me wonder how the hell I keep landing gigs :p
I've never been to a show with less than two bands. Most have at least three, maybe four. Sometimes even five or six.
 
I let just about anyone who doesn't have an attitude use my rig. I've had a couple speakers blown, but they were on the way out anyway. However, I am totally with the OP on this. I would even consider turning down the gig on the basis of this kind of attitude. I don't need a gig that badly.

I've had people grab my bass out of my hands at an awards jam session. It's a '67 Starfire and this big guy grabbed it out of my hands right before I put it on so he could jam with his drummer buddy. They were both metal guys who were trying to prove some point to the singers who were all hip hop guys. I think perhaps what they were really trying to prove is that they were completely unable to listen and play with anyone else and to prove how much they hated hip hop. The whole time he had it, I stood right next to him and would nudge him every time he started getting rough. My bass suffered no damage, but the dude did not say please or thanks. No one plays my bass now unless I offer it. I'm still kind of speechless at that guy's attitude. ***? Even worse, if I had played, I think the hip hoppers would have had a much better time, he and the drummer were getting nasty looks the whole time. My gear is one thing, but to totally destroy any possibility of a groove while some serious rhyming is happening is even worse. I don't go to award ceremonies much any more and if I do, I leave before the jam.
 
Cover band I worked for last year, I used to leave my gigging rig in the trailer between shows. I had practice gear at home and we were gigging weekly, so no big deal.

His original band (that I did not play bass for) played a show and posted the videos on YouTube. He used my lights, my smoke machine, my rig and maybe even my FX pedal!

When I confronted him on why he didn't think to ask, he thought it wasn't a big deal since he had the gear in his trailer anyway and would have had to unpack it to put the other bass players stuff in (which was pretty much the same as mine). Fair call, I was quitting anyway, no big deal I can wear that.

He then goes on to tell me he has been using all my gear (including my basses) to help record his next few songs the past couple weeks anyway!!! So while Im thinking its safely locked in a trailer, my gear has been unpacked, set up, tested, tweaked, played, recorded, and packed back up again between the cover gigs we were doing. Lord knows how many jams he hosted on my gear!!!

At least most guys do the courteous thing and ask :)
 
I love the epicness of this thread. This hits a nerve with everyone! Play a hard line guys!

F- these noobs without their own amps or intelligence on how to use one!

Have you guys ever browsed on guitarist forums? It's hard to get any information. They are all like the most foolish of bassists. We are lucky to have TB, where adults and knowledge accumulates.
 

Sorry if I didn't paint the picture well. It's the Bluebird Theater in Denver about 12 years ago. They are having the Westword Music Awards ceremony. At the end of the night, all the winners are invited to go up on stage. It looks like I'm the only guy who brought a bass and I knew some of the singers getting ready to play, so I get up on stage. I plug in my bass and as I'm getting ready to strap it on, this guy comes running up and grabs it out of my hands. I ask him *** he's doing and he yells at me that his friend is the drummer so he just has to play. I'm so struck dumb by the whole thing that it takes about a minute for me to realize what is happening. As I see that he's an aggressive player, I don't leave his side. When he's done after about 4 minutes, he just shoves it back in my hands and runs off with his drummer buddy cackling about how they showed those hip hop guys and I'm standing there wondering who the heck has that kind of nerve and bad manners, let alone the complete inability to get it together to support the other musicians on the stage.
 
This struck a note ('scuse pun!) with me, too!

Back in da '80s I was doing an end-of-term college gig supporting a Scottish band who were fresh from the kudos of supporting the Stones at their Edinburgh show. Turning up for the soundcheck, I was informed by the FOH guy that the main band's bassist's Wal had given up the ghost on him and could they use mine. Polite to ask, I thought, but since I had not long taken delivery of a new Status Series II I refused.

Suddenly, the FOH guy went mental, storming about cursing me and swearing loudly about how "the gig is f*****!!" I got sucked into all the psychodrama and eventually relented. I showed the bassist the controls (well, you never know!!) and asked him to return it to me personally, in the condition it was given to him in.

After their set, I waited a while before going to their dressing-room to retrieve the bass. Nobody was there. The monitor guy eventually told me this band had left and ten mins later, in another room not being used by anybody, I found the Status just lying in a corner. My heart sank when I saw the grease marks and plec scratches and found that the clown had twisted one of the pots completely loose! I would have knocked f*** out of that guy if I'd found him that night and I never, no matter how many dummies were spat, lent my basses out to anybody ever again.

OP did the right thing!
 
Man, the more I read, the more I start having second thoughts about gigging some day... For a geek I'm a relatively passive guy, but any action like just walking up and grabbing my **** without bothering to ask would mean I'm going to see how many square meters of floor I can mop with your face before it gets bloody - it's the one of the singularly most rude things to do if you ask me.
 
I've never been to a show with less than two bands. Most have at least three, maybe four. Sometimes even five or six.


Your scene is definitely different than mine - around here, if a band is capable of a consistant draw - and getting paid well - the venue owners insist that they be able to play a 10-2 gig, and without an opener... Honestly, I would probably quit playing if every gig consisted of sharing a bill with 3 or more other bands - I don't play for free, and haven't in many years...

Even if we want to have an opener - to help out some friends, or whatever - we usually have to get it ok'd with the venue's booking agent in advance...


- georgestrings
 
georgestrings said:
Your scene is definitely different than mine - around here, if a band is capable of a consistant draw - and getting paid well - the venue owners insist that they be able to play a 10-2 gig, and without an opener... Honestly, I would probably quit playing if every gig consisted of sharing a bill with 3 or more other bands - I don't play for free, and haven't in many years...

Even if we want to have an opener - to help out some friends, or whatever - we usually have to get it ok'd with the venue's booking agent in advance...

- georgestrings

I think it's probably the difference between cover bands and original bands. Around here covers are one band shows but originals are multiple