Your take on the Eden tone

[glocke1]

Eden sounded good at the very beginning when they used a James Demeter preamp section in all their amps, but it's no longer made, also their D410T was the best sounding 410 ever made, that too, no longer made.

This is news to me. Whats the time frame for that?

 

[Altitude]

I just sold my last Eden cab - a D-210XST. It sounds great, but it weighs 13 pounds more than my CN212, and I'm too old to lug it around. Back when this thread originated I was TB's resident Eden whore. I still have my '96 WT-300 and a WTX-500, both of which are superb pieces of kit.

Over the years, I've had a WT-800A, WT-800B, D-410XLT, D-210XLT, D-210XST, D-212XLT, and D-115XLT. There's something about a WT-800 and D-410XLT that just dominates.

Old post, but I happened by it as I am also finally phasing out my D210XST cabs. They are built to last and sound great, but each of them is 60 pounds. It’s just no longer necessary to lug that kind of weight to have good tone.

I’m moving on to a couple Audiokinesis Changeling 1x12 cabinets. Just under 30 pounds each, easy carry-in with one in each hand, sound phenomenal.

 

[Orpheus55]

I just started using the WTX260 through either my 4 ohm Avatar 115 or an 8 ohm Avatar 112; both with PA support. Both applications work well with plenty of power to spare, and that's in a ten-piece rock and soul band--again with a DI and FOH support. Just for future reference for others.

 

[matt11]

I think your “modern warm” assessment is right. I have a V4b, a WT550 and a Shuttlemax 12.0. All set flat, the Eden’s basic tone is closer to clean V4b than to Genz. Smooth and rich—not quite the harmonic content of the v4b nor as quick and defined as the Genz, but dang nice nevertheless.

(but deeper lows if that’s your thing)

After a couple of weeks of playing my Eden CXC combo, here's my thoughts (initial and now) on the Eden sound....

modern warm. It's almost "blurry" at times, which kinda bugged me at first, though now I dig it. It seems to almost give me some sustain or compression or something. I think I was expecting a really clean, hi-fi tone, like the SWRs I've played through, based on what I thought I've heard here at TB. I wouldn't call it hi-fi, it's sorta growly and soft-edged, like an slightly overdriven SVT, I guess, though not at all "dirty". But I can still get some glassy highs, just not as crisp as the SWRs I've played. It does cut through the mix like nothing I've ever played; and now I realize that a solo/practice tone can be much different than a tone that cuts through in a band setting. I don't pretend to understand the "why" of cutting through.

Maybe a cross between a Mesa and an Ampeg.

I'd like to hear how others describe it.....

 

[Eminor3rd]

IMO, in spite of the fact that Eden goes to such great lengths to include a very precise and powerful preamp section on their amps, all of their stuff sounds way better when all the knobs are left flat.

I don't know if it's just that it is such a weird, specific tonal curve to begin with -- but that tone curve doesn't seem to respond well to further tweaking.

EDIT: Holy crap this thread is old

 

[rictrose]

Just in to say I recently picked up a 2006 WT550 (30th anniversary series) and love it. I’ve been moving away from Class D amps - and whilst this amp is new to me - it feels instantly familiar. I’ve got a Mesa WD-800 and I like this more. This was one of the last USA made amps as I think they started production in China a year later. Some people say the early WT400 amps are the warmest - does anyone know why that is? @Munjibunga do you know? Is it the power amp design? I assume the preamp stayed the same with the move to the WT550. Anyways - this amp compared to my WD800 is has much more pillowy booty, and a softer treble. Warm and organic compared to the WD800 (when set flat) although the WD800 has so much eq options it really is a chameleon. Compared to my GK800RB the Eden has more booty and less treble extension. I don’t know if this amp will go quite as loud as the 800rb though. Haven’t tested it out at that level. This is my new “small gig rig”

 

[matt11]

I’d agree with your take on the WT550. Mine’s also a USA 2006—just had it cleaned up by a good tech—and I alternate between it and a 74 v4b. I find I sometimes cut the bass a clic (a bit too pillowy in some venues), and the eq is overall terrific for room adjustments and the basic sound is still one of my favorites.

 

[Samatza]

Just in to say I recently picked up a 2006 WT550 (30th anniversary series) and love it. I’ve been moving away from Class D amps - and whilst this amp is new to me - it feels instantly familiar. I’ve got a Mesa WD-800 and I like this more. This was one of the last USA made amps as I think they started production in China a year later. Some people say the early WT400 amps are the warmest - does anyone know why that is? @Munjibunga do you know? Is it the power amp design? I assume the preamp stayed the same with the move to the WT550. Anyways - this amp compared to my WD800 is has much more pillowy booty, and a softer treble. Warm and organic compared to the WD800 (when set flat) although the WD800 has so much eq options it really is a chameleon. Compared to my GK800RB the Eden has more booty and less treble extension. I don’t know if this amp will go quite as loud as the 800rb though. Haven’t tested it out at that level. This is my new “small gig rig”

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This is one of my favourite amps. Those semi-parametric mids allow you to do a lot of tone tweaking but it sounds so good almost flat that you don't need much EQ. Compared to my GK 1001RB it's not quite as loud but it has a beautifully warm sound with that trademark little bit of "sparkle" on the top.
I always said that the Eden sounds "pretty" the GK sounds more aggressive. I use enhance control sparingly and set it max at 9 o'clock and sometimes I bump the low mids for my fretless, it is a great amp with a beautiful sound, enjoy!

 

[Low Class]

This is news to me. Whats the time frame for that?

No one ever answered your question, so here you go. The Eden VT series, predecessor to the WT. Early 1990's. Used a preamp section designed by James Demeter.

 

[BasturdBlaster]

Although I have never owned an Eden, I have played a few over the years and I love the tone very much. Are the current offerings representative of the "original" tone?

 

[12bass]

... Some people say the early WT400 amps are the warmest - does anyone know why that is?

There was a thread on the Eden forum about this some years ago. From what I recall, the WT-400 rolls off a bit lower on the LPF than other models (~12kHz), smoothing the extreme highs.... Can probably get very close just by dialing back the treble slightly.

 

[40Hz]

Worst sounding gear currently in production.

FWIW, SWR is no longer in production. And hasn’t been since 2013.

 

[Jaco who?]

His post was an April fools joke from 2002.

 

[40Hz]

His post was an April fools joke from 2002.

Obviously an effective joke if I fell for it 15 years later.