Can't say I'd know how it handles...or drives...heck I didn't even know what it looked like til 5 seconds agoPontiac Fiero??
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Z06 Vs. GTR
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I'd go for the Nissan just because Corvettes are so common.
I also like the look of the Skylines.
SO SEXY!
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I also like the look of the Skylines.
SO SEXY!
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What's this "shiftable automatic transmission" crap?Are they offering the GTR with a manual transmission? If not, that is LAME.
I'm pretty sure it's a DSG like the new VW GTIs have... also on the Enzo and F1 cars. It's much faster shifting than a traditional manual. Not a typical automatic tranny at all.
i have seen dyno sheets showin 1000+ horsies out this mouse motor. all motor. it might say 427 but shes still a baby.
Can't say I'd know how it handles...or drives...heck I didn't even know what it looked like til 5 seconds ago
They're pretty good cars, Mid-Engine RWD 4 cyl. or 6 cyl., Pretty rigid cars and people have been known to put Z06 suspension on them. People also swap LS1's and N* V8's in them. Probably the best bang for the buck car you can get for overall handling and power while still managing to get 28-30mpg. I've been looking around where I live for one since you can get them for around $800-$2000 in relatively good condition.
actually technically the corvette does. They aren't the leaf springs people assosiate with trucks and old stage coaches though(despite what a certain tall ignorant UK tv host tries to imply).
The c5+ corvettes are have a double wishbone suspension with transverse fiberglass mono-leaf spring which also acts as an anti-roll bar. This is done to save unsprung weight. If GM wanted to appease the misinformed masses they could go with traditional coil over shock setup and it would cost them less to do so but they haven't for that reason.
I'm not sure what the Ls7's power potential is but I know it isn't something to be overlooked! Infact I know you can simply pull a fuse which opens up the exhaust baffles and gain close to 20hp. lol
The GT-R is an impressive car once you get passed the laughable hype and marketing around it. Nissan met all of their goals with the car, it is easy to drive, good aerodynamics, steering is good, transmission is spot on and the engine makes a tone of power(quite abit more then they claim). Added with rather stiff suspension, sticky tires and a figure it out for you computer it will be an insanely fast car for just about anyone.
That said...
These cars are not cheap(even after the GT-R hype goes down and the dealers actually decide to sell them under 100grand). Neither is a car I would really care for as a daily driver. Both being bumpy, neither being great in wet(tires on the GTR are to blame), neither car I would want in the wet anyway do to other driver and the GTR is a thirsty car at the pump. z06 has no back seats but a respectable trunk, GTR has backseats for those with no legs and a smaller trunk. So judging either car by it's practicality is kind of dishonest to the value of the vehicle. Anyone who can afford either of these can probably afford a car to use on the day to day grind so to not abuse their fun cars or risk them getting damaged by one of the many asshats on road.
Cars like this with such high performance should be used at the track, otherwise there is little point to them as there are other sports cars that would be just as fun peddling around on weekends but will be cheaper and marginally nice to live with depending on what you choose. And on the track I would pick the z06 every time.
the GTR is fast thanks to a technical awd system, countless drivers aids, sticky tires and very well setup suspension but at the heart of it it is still a 4000lb front heavy AWD car with over 500hp(crank). Point being, this is an expensive car to run. With weight and speed comes cost. The car is very hard on the tires and brakes as well as everything else. This is one of the reasons cars like lotus elise's and miata's are so popular. A set of tires for them will last almost all season vs say an EVO/STi(which weighs about 650lb's less then a GTR and has 200 less hp) which may get one or two events on a set of tires. This may not seem like a big deal, but when you start pricing tires and brake pads, plus the cost of fluids and event fee's.. IT gets really expensive. Hell, the GT-R's tires have to fit 20' wheels.. I don't even want to know how much those puppies cost.
Perhaps the R35 GT-R will prove to be different, but as it stands now we know the z06 is a rugged car. It has been proven time and time again and for good reason.. It's simple. I'm really curious how well the new GTR's transmissions are going to take the kind of abuse a driving snob will dish out over the years with hard launches and the use of ever more stickier tires which puts stress on the diff's and bits.
One of the biggest things Achilles heal of the z06 is that GM decided to yet again give their flagship sports car less then steller tires. I think it is amazing that the z06's can produce such skidpad tests with such tires.
To me, although Nissan did a brilliant job with the GT-R, it seems like a jack of all but not really brilliant at any trades in the hands of a private consumer who doesn't get anything out of bragging about lap times that were accomplished by a a manufacture spending six months on a track halfway around the world. The actual car is fast but not the fastest and is still extremely costly to be driven in such a manner. Some of the things that make it easy to drive also isolate the driving experience for the drivers so it comes down to opinion on what you prefer. The car has a rather harsh ride so it can't be compared with say m3's, audi's in civilities. The very tires that give the car so much grip are also less then brilliant in wet weather which was noted at this last one lap event where C&D took the GT-R to compete against other cars, many high powered rear drivers with near competition level tires and the easy to drive AWD GTR left behind on a very wet texas motor speedway, which was quite a shock to most.
I'm still awaiting to see how nissan will go about handling warranty claims, especially for those who 'drive' their cars. I've heard horror stories about things such as powertrain warranties being axed for cars being used on the tracks in japan. I wonder if Nissan will be carrying out the same kind of use it and loose it attitude mitsubishi has done with the evo's. Mitsubishi dealers sending people to autocross/track and drag events and writing down the plate number of all the evo's taking part in them to void certain aspects of the vehicle's warranties. I really hope Nissan takes the highroad on this.
I look forward to the Vspec which is said to have lost around 300lb's somehow. I'll believe it when I see it but if true this car will be a monster and will improve many aspects of the car not just in performance. That said, if I had 120k to spend for a brilliantly fast car that is even less pleasant on the streets, the ACR Viper would win out(at around 95k) any day of the week. Now THAT car is a monster. But either way you cant go wrong.
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actually technically the corvette does. They aren't the leaf springs people assosiate with trucks and old stage coaches though(despite what a certain tall ignorant UK tv host tries to imply).
The c5+ corvettes are have a double wishbone suspension with transverse fiberglass mono-leaf spring which also acts as an anti-roll bar. This is done to save unsprung weight. If GM wanted to appease the misinformed masses they could go with traditional coil over shock setup and it would cost them less to do so but they haven't for that reason.
I'm not sure what the Ls7's power potential is but I know it isn't something to be overlooked! Infact I know you can simply pull a fuse which opens up the exhaust baffles and gain close to 20hp. lol
The GT-R is an impressive car once you get passed the laughable hype and marketing around it. Nissan met all of their goals with the car, it is easy to drive, good aerodynamics, steering is good, transmission is spot on and the engine makes a tone of power(quite abit more then they claim). Added with rather stiff suspension, sticky tires and a figure it out for you computer it will be an insanely fast car for just about anyone.
That said...
These cars are not cheap(even after the GT-R hype goes down and the dealers actually decide to sell them under 100grand). Neither is a car I would really care for as a daily driver. Both being bumpy, neither being great in wet(tires on the GTR are to blame), neither car I would want in the wet anyway do to other driver and the GTR is a thirsty car at the pump. z06 has no back seats but a respectable trunk, GTR has backseats for those with no legs and a smaller trunk. So judging either car by it's practicality is kind of dishonest to the value of the vehicle. Anyone who can afford either of these can probably afford a car to use on the day to day grind so to not abuse their fun cars or risk them getting damaged by one of the many asshats on road.
Cars like this with such high performance should be used at the track, otherwise there is little point to them as there are other sports cars that would be just as fun peddling around on weekends but will be cheaper and marginally nice to live with depending on what you choose. And on the track I would pick the z06 every time.
the GTR is fast thanks to a technical awd system, countless drivers aids, sticky tires and very well setup suspension but at the heart of it it is still a 4000lb front heavy AWD car with over 500hp(crank). Point being, this is an expensive car to run. With weight and speed comes cost. The car is very hard on the tires and brakes as well as everything else. This is one of the reasons cars like lotus elise's and miata's are so popular. A set of tires for them will last almost all season vs say an EVO/STi(which weighs about 650lb's less then a GTR and has 200 less hp) which may get one or two events on a set of tires. This may not seem like a big deal, but when you start pricing tires and brake pads, plus the cost of fluids and event fee's.. IT gets really expensive. Hell, the GT-R's tires have to fit 20' wheels.. I don't even want to know how much those puppies cost.
Perhaps the R35 GT-R will prove to be different, but as it stands now we know the z06 is a rugged car. It has been proven time and time again and for good reason.. It's simple. I'm really curious how well the new GTR's transmissions are going to take the kind of abuse a driving snob will dish out over the years with hard launches and the use of ever more stickier tires which puts stress on the diff's and bits.
One of the biggest things Achilles heal of the z06 is that GM decided to yet again give their flagship sports car less then steller tires. I think it is amazing that the z06's can produce such skidpad tests with such tires.
To me, although Nissan did a brilliant job with the GT-R, it seems like a jack of all but not really brilliant at any trades in the hands of a private consumer who doesn't get anything out of bragging about lap times that were accomplished by a a manufacture spending six months on a track halfway around the world. The actual car is fast but not the fastest and is still extremely costly to be driven in such a manner. Some of the things that make it easy to drive also isolate the driving experience for the drivers so it comes down to opinion on what you prefer. The car has a rather harsh ride so it can't be compared with say m3's, audi's in civilities. The very tires that give the car so much grip are also less then brilliant in wet weather which was noted at this last one lap event where C&D took the GT-R to compete against other cars, many high powered rear drivers with near competition level tires and the easy to drive AWD GTR left behind on a very wet texas motor speedway, which was quite a shock to most.
I'm still awaiting to see how nissan will go about handling warranty claims, especially for those who 'drive' their cars. I've heard horror stories about things such as powertrain warranties being axed for cars being used on the tracks in japan. I wonder if Nissan will be carrying out the same kind of use it and loose it attitude mitsubishi has done with the evo's. Mitsubishi dealers sending people to autocross/track and drag events and writing down the plate number of all the evo's taking part in them to void certain aspects of the vehicle's warranties. I really hope Nissan takes the highroad on this.
I look forward to the Vspec which is said to have lost around 300lb's somehow. I'll believe it when I see it but if true this car will be a monster and will improve many aspects of the car not just in performance. That said, if I had 120k to spend for a brilliantly fast car that is even less pleasant on the streets, the ACR Viper would win out(at around 95k) any day of the week. Now THAT car is a monster. But either way you cant go wrong.
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Long but good, it was a nice read.
If i had 120k to spend vs 70k (not including dealer mark-ups), it would go strait to an Ultima GTR which makes even the ZR1 look slow
downside is ide have to build it myself Are you kidding? Fieros have a reputation for randomly blowing up...
I do love the N* engine though. My first car had one. Very smooth and powerful.
I've never heard of them randomly blowing up
not once actually.. and I've experienced quite a few FierosI've never heard of them randomly blowing up
Pontiac acknowledged that .7% (not much, but still a significant amount) had engine fires.
I don't know, they just never came across to me as a car with good performance. I know a lot of people try to make them look like lambos or modify them, but I'd rather by a car with performance tuning from the factory.
That only applied to the early fiero's, i believe just the 84's but perhaps 85's as well. either way it only applied to the early ones with the i4 "iron duke" engine. I forget the cause of fires though.
The 1988 fiero's are the ones to have. They got whole new suspension cradles that were actually developed for the car instead of slapping on teh chevette's suspension. They got new steering, and new brakes as well. The 88GT fastbacks are hot cars IMO. You can tell the 88 cars appart from the others as they have the solid paint instead of the 2tone sceme.
I remember when I realy wanted an LS1 88GT, back when the idea of doing that was still relitively new and IIRC only one person had done it at that time, or so I'd seen on fiero.nl . But 88gt's themselves go for a pretty penny compared to the other fiero's and at the end I decided I was much too lazy to fuss with that kind of work and just got an 85 corolla GT-S liftback instead. Least I get good gas milage now though
nbw: great posts. Glad to see some knowledge being handed out.
Personally, I would take the GT-R. Here are my reasons:
1) turbo cars are extremely easy to squeeze power out of. All it usually takes with modern turbocharged cars is to free up the exhaust, get a stronger fuel pump, and do a re-flash. For significantly more power, new turbo(s) and injectors are relatively easy to do.
2) I REALLY like the idea of flipping a couple switches and getting a PERFECT launch. EVERY TIME.
3) Everyone I know with a LSX has needed a new power steering pump in less than 50,000miles. As great as the LSX engines are on paper, I just don't have a lot of faith in their reliability.
4) I love the feeling of exponential acceleration that you can only get from a turbo car. While this is more prevalent in cars with "laggier" setups, and the GT-R is probably almost lag-free in stock form...major modifications almost always result in a certain degree of turbo lag....usually from bigger turbos that take longer to spool up. But that rush is well worth the wait.
5) Too many years of playing Gran Turismo.
Personally, I would take the GT-R. Here are my reasons:
1) turbo cars are extremely easy to squeeze power out of. All it usually takes with modern turbocharged cars is to free up the exhaust, get a stronger fuel pump, and do a re-flash. For significantly more power, new turbo(s) and injectors are relatively easy to do.
2) I REALLY like the idea of flipping a couple switches and getting a PERFECT launch. EVERY TIME.
3) Everyone I know with a LSX has needed a new power steering pump in less than 50,000miles. As great as the LSX engines are on paper, I just don't have a lot of faith in their reliability.
4) I love the feeling of exponential acceleration that you can only get from a turbo car. While this is more prevalent in cars with "laggier" setups, and the GT-R is probably almost lag-free in stock form...major modifications almost always result in a certain degree of turbo lag....usually from bigger turbos that take longer to spool up. But that rush is well worth the wait.
5) Too many years of playing Gran Turismo.
You're not gunna be able to mod the GTR very much, and what little mods you will be able to do are gunna be only available from the dealer and very expensive. The problem with most import motors is that they don't handle the extra power that well (not saying they dont, just not very well). The Z06 on the other hand was built with potential in mind. The LSx motors are very potent and can handle a lot of power while still being reliable. GM has also had many years to perfect the LSx platform though. I just love the fact after all these years, America is still kickin ass with good ol pushrod V8's
