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Zoom B3 As Preamp Part 2

#282
The patience is paying off!

I noticed that when I switched between my active stingray and my passive jazz bass there was a major drop off in low end and overall resonance. So I tried boosting the bass on my preamp (AcBsPre) but it still wasn't the same.

On a whim I decided to try the Sansamp "effect." The default settings were harsh. I dialed back the gain by a ton and did some tone tweaking. When I was done I had a wonderful sound that gave my amp a new resonance. I am really pleased and really impressed.
 
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#284
tubatodd said:
The patience is paying off!

I noticed that when I switched between my active stingray and my passive jazz bass there was a major drop off in low end and overall resonance. So I tried boosting the bass on my preamp (AcBsPre) but it still wasn't the same.

On a whim I decided to try the Sansamp "effect." The default settings were harsh. I dialed back the gain by a ton and did some tone tweaking. When I was done I had a wonderful sound that gave my amp a new resonance. I am really pleased and really impressed.
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Greetings, tubatodd!

Congratulations on both your acquisition and experimentation using the B3!

May I ask if you've tried cozying-up to just one simple amp model and forgoing all the extra bells and whistles?

I say this because I believe there is great harmony to be found in their simplicity and also know for fact that pure tone nirvana awaits in rudimentary use of the B3 (e.g. the MIX parameter vs. your equipment)

Cheers!

P.S. Photoshop is the secret to my screen shots
 
#285
CharlieC said:
Greetings, tubatodd!
May I ask if you've tried cozying-up to just one simple amp model and forgoing all the extra bells and whistles?
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Well....sorta. I have 5 patches. All of them are the same preamp (Sansamp), same settings (flat amp sim, same levels on the Sansamp), same D-comp compressor and 5 different amp sims. It's still a simple setup, but when I change between patches I get different tone colors (sometimes very contrasting like Hartke vs SVT) but with the same basic preamp levels. Along the same line, I've tried just running the Sansmp and compressor and using my physical amp's characteristic tone shine through. I was very pleased with the results.

Overall, switching to the Sansamp tonight was a major "AHA!" moment for me. My BG250-210 has a new depth and resonance.

EDIT:
Well I guess the correct answer is...No. :)
 
#286
tubatodd said:
Well....sorta. I have 5 patches. All of them are the same preamp (Sansamp), same settings (flat amp sim, same levels on the Sansamp), same D-comp compressor and 5 different amp sims. It's still a simple setup, but when I change between patches I get different tone colors (sometimes very contrasting like Hartke vs SVT) but with the same basic preamp levels. Along the same line, I've tried just running the Sansmp and compressor and using my physical amp's characteristic tone shine through. I was very pleased with the results.

Overall, switching to the Sansamp tonight was a major "AHA!" moment for me. My BG250-210 has a new depth and resonance.

EDIT:
Well I guess the correct answer is...No. :)
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I find myself doing the opposite. I have found 1 amp (Hartke) I really like. Then I have used it as the primary filter for the rest of the sounds the way I like them...adding compressor, EQ and effects as desired.
 
#287
I'm the same as liveburning274 on this one. I use the Hartke with the Bassman 4x12 cab as a base and build on that, it has a compressor in the amp sim so that frees up a slot. The ZNR noise suppressor and the sansamp are usually make an appearance. Keeping the amp flat except for a boost at 800hz to make up for the cab and sansamp scoop and with the natural tone shaping of the sansamp (treble and bass set flat) finishes the job and adds a touch of grit.

I have 4 patches primarily, one clean-ish and one dirty with the cab mix at about 70-80 for use with headphones and DI and another 2 set the same as the previously mentioned but with cab mix at about 20 for use with a real amp.
I don't use it as a selection of 3 stompboxes unless I use it with my whole board. Then I use my other dirt pedals and MXR M80 for tone shaping (it has the same curve as the sansamp, 800hz scoop but has its mids knob set at that frequency to dial it back in.)

I still don't understand how something this good and adjustable can be set at the price it is. The possibilities and combinations of amps and cabs alone is mad enough to keep you going for a while, its a constant learning process. Can't wait to use it live, with this as a preamp DI feeding the FOH it means I should get complete consistency at venuses, no matter what the backline.

(I realize that last part especially sounds like a line from an advertisement)
 
#289
We can only hope! :bawl::bawl::bawl:

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#296
Had my first gig with my B3 last weekend, running it into a QSC K12. Heaps of volume, but struggled to hear it properly. My patches were based around the SVT sim, and despite thinking I had it dialed in, it lacked definition. Back to the drawing board this week, and the Bman sim is my new foundation. Im optimistic.
 
#297
Rocksolid said:
Had my first gig with my B3 last weekend, running it into a QSC K12. Heaps of volume, but struggled to hear it properly. My patches were based around the SVT sim, and despite thinking I had it dialed in, it lacked definition. Back to the drawing board this week, and the Bman sim is my new foundation. Im optimistic.
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Even without knowing what bass/pickups were used and other signal chain details, I believe the definition you were lacking can be found in this SVT configuration exported from a sunny place in France :D

This effect alone should pummel your full-range K12 and provide massive punch and clarity in SVT style.

Cheers!

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#299
CharlieC said:
Even without knowing what bass/pickups were used and other signal chain details, I believe the definition you were lacking can be found in this SVT configuration exported from a sunny place in France :D

This effect alone should pummel your full-range K12 and provide massive punch and clarity in SVT style.

Cheers!

b3_t07p.gif
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Thanks Charlie, will give it ago. I was using a Fender Reggie Hamilton CS 5 string PJ.
 
#300
I'm setting up 2 patches with identical Amp sim and Comp settings, but with a different effect in each. The 2 patches are:

160 comp > BB Pre > Bman

Qtron > 160 comp > Bman

With the Q tron and the BB pre off in both patches and the Bman and 160 Comp settings identical (I have triple and quadruple checked) the BB Pre patch is fuller and louder. How can this be?

Has anyone experienced this before and can they give me any insight into it?
 

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