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Zoom MS-70CDR+ is almost here

#41
FYI since it seems that Zoom cares not for PC/Android users I went a cheap rout to join the Fruity bunch. I have amassed the parts necessary and it is working like an almost charm. The roughly used iPad Air 2 [2014][from Back Market 92 bucks delivered] with a generic [cheapest] camera dongle usb a to c cable to Zoom MS70CDR+ is working fine. Plug and play made simple and the display size is nice. My only issue due to my own learning how to set up of the ipad is that it is timing out when I'd prefer it to stay on. That and I keep grabbing my mouse to make adjustments, doh.
 
#42
I'm looking at adding this pedal or the MS-60B+ curious if anyone has used both and could advise which would be more suitable based on my current gear and use cases:

Gear:
P bass with flats / Gibson LP Jr with tape wounds
Quilter BB803
Revsound RS210T and/or Barefaced One10
Pedals that may or may not stick around: Source Audio Ultrawave, Source Audio Zio Bass, EQD Disaster Transport reissue

Use cases:
I'm in band with 1 each acoustic and electric guitar, drums and very sparse synth use. Our sound is dark folkish, swampy, stripped back blues like early Bad Seeds or Angels of Light, occasionally veers into heavy (not shreddy, more brooding) moments. Almost always drop D tuning, lots of minor chord progressions.

I am really happy with my clean sound (edge of breakup, warm, vintage) and use that almost all the time. BUT. . .I like experimenting with the SA UW and the EQD delay to get some weird sounds to through in the mix. However, I haven't had the best of luck getting more atmospheric sounds. I want big washes, long pulsing delays, etc with some glitchiness.

I don't think I need/want all the amp sims in the MS-60B+ but I would like the dirt. I could get that from the UW though. I know there's a handful of bass specific effects in the CDR, but how are all the guitar effects on bass? Enough parameter control to make them more useful on bass?

Thanks for any guidance!
 
#43
I have a CDR+ and the sound options are fantastic for adding ambience with a great selection of modulation, reverbs and delays - most of which are NOT on the MS60B or B+. My only issue is needing to have an iOS device to run the editing program, for that reason I still use the MS60B and MS70CDR more,
 
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#44
mikeynets said:
I don't think I need/want all the amp sims in the MS-60B+ but I would like the dirt.
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You could consider getting the old CDR or 60B and hack the firmware with the unofficial Zoom effect manager. It can open up another effects slot (from 5 to 6 on the 60B, no extra slot on the 70CDR because it already has 6 slots) and you can mix and match whatever effects you want and ditch the ones you don't need. Not just the effects of the 70CDR or the 60B, but others as well. Best of both worlds and a wee bit more.

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Of course the + series has newer and improved effects, but it hasn't been hacked (yet?). Many people still use the old CDR because of how good it is. just something to consider.
 
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GotGroove said:
You could consider getting the old CDR or 60B and hack the firmware with the unofficial Zoom effect manager. It can open up another effects slot (from 5 to 6 on the 60B, no extra slot on the 70CDR because it already has 6 slots) and you can mix and match whatever effects you want and ditch the ones you don't need. Not just the effects of the 70CDR or the 60B, but others as well. Best of both worlds and a wee bit more.

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Of course the + series has newer and improved effects, but it hasn't been hacked (yet?). Many people still use the old CDR because of how good it is. just something to consider.
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Wow that's really cool! I think I'd prefer the form factor of the + pedals in that foot operation should be easier. But hard to say until I had one in hand. . .or foot.
 
#46
bassbrad said:
I have a CDR+ and the sound options are fantastic for adding ambience with a great selection of modulation, reverbs and delays - most of which are NOT on the MS60B or B+. My only issue is needing to have an iOS device to run the editing program, for that reason I still use the MS60B and MS70CDR more,
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For better or worse, I'm fully in the apple ecosystem so that's a non-issue for me.
 
#47
I wish someone would make a hack that would let you flip the Memory buttons and the scroll buttons on the MS70CDR+.
It's tough to get even the tip of my size 9 shoe in that tiny little space where Zoom put the memory buttons. If they had only put the memory buttons where they put the scroll buttons it would move Zoom's pedal up a notch from great status to awesome status.

I did channel my inner McGyver and make a contraption out of odds and ends in my garage that extend the memory buttons. It straps a couple of short 1/2" dowell stick extensions for the MS 70 CDR+ around the pedal with velcro underneath to fasten it in place. The dowell sticks are just a little higher than the on-off switch on the MS70CDR+. My home made accessory makes scrolling through patches (just) do-able. It works, but it definitely puts the "J" in Janky...

I know there is probably a MIDI option but don't know that much about how MIDI works. Also, having shopped a little at Disaster Area Pedals, what I think I would be need would put all expenses combined (including the Zoom Pedal Itself) closer to the price of a used HX Stomp.

Would be better if Zoom made a firmware update that gives the user the option to flip the memory and scroll buttons, but would happily accept a reliable hack if such a thing existed.
 
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#48
I feel you.

In the last three weeks, I've bought and returned w/o opening a MS70CDR+, then bought a used HX stomp, then rebought a backordered MS70CDR+ again!

I don't use a lot of effects and my goal is to have a very compact pedalboard. If it's the stomp, then that's it and that's all. If it's the MS70CDR+ then I'll also have a drive pedal (currently have a Source Audio Ultrawave.)

Without having used the Zoom pedal yet, it's hard to know how easy/difficult it will be in a live setting to switch between patches w/o MIDI — which it seems like it's a bit of a faff to get to work. It also seems like it's at least two moves to turn on/off individual effects in a preset, and one of them needs ninja skills to get to.

I like the $100 price tag of the MS70CDR+ but the ease of use of the stomp is very appealing. Decisions. . .
 
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My big wish is for a PC or android app for editing and controlling the CDR+, being one of the few that id not an iOS devotee. I did buy an older iPad Air 2 that is working for that as well as running a few other things but I expect it will soon become outdated and useless. .
 
#52
I've been considering the MS-CDR70+ has a useful single pedal rig for some gigs where all I need is some mod and/or a kind of acoustic bass sim that I can cobble together with those modules. But I've been really put off by the lack of patch change capability-- much less its inability to show the effin' current patch. Grrr!!

FWIW, here's my first little tinkering with Sugru on the buttons of my B2-Four. I'll report back after initial tests & modifications.

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That's ultimately what I did....
I have the B2 Four now. Because of the individual stomp buttons, I can switch through patches.
I didn't totally fire the MS70CDR+, just moved it to a little guitar board that use when I play EG, and sometimes acoustic.

Tuner - MXR Compressor - MS70 CDR+ - Low Gain Fuzz - AMP.

Ability to flip the scroll buttons for the memory buttons is still annoying, but I play EG so little, the amount of annoying is fairly small. Also, the MS70CDR+ is still one heck of a nice pedal!
 
#54
Following up, this post shows the additional pictures I took. After using for a bit, I think the mods I made for the upper buttons would work well for the MS+ series. Having to keep track of what patch number (because the displayed patch number disappears) will be a drag, I think.

Rather than repost the images in this thread, here's my post:

https://www.talkbass.com/threads/new-zoom-b2-four.1598433/page-32#post-28868617
 
#55
I haven't taken my CDR+ out of the house since I got it a few months ago, so I don't really know if the navigation controls are going to be an issue or not, but I'm glad to have an MS back on my board after having gone from a hacked 70CDR to individual delay/reverb/chorus pedals and now back to the CDR+. I'll probably add "simple" C, D, and R pedals to my board just for fun but the the CDR+ is ideal for a grab-and-go solution, and for weirder stuff that have limited use.
 
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ugly_bassplayer said:
does this new version fix the issue of its predecessor of constant hum/hiss?
it was a huge defect
if its fixed ill definitely consider purchasing one
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If you just chain effects together on the 70 CDR without going into each effect and adjusting the output parameter you can get a lot of hiss. Keep the output fairly low on all but the last effect in the chain and it helps remarkably.
 
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My MS-70CDR+ arrived a few days ago, and I've taken it on a few little test spins.

It's a nice-sounding & versatile pedal with plenty of modulation, delay & reverb options. Seems like the processor has enough headroom to run more CPU-heavy modules at one time.

The synths in the MS-70CDR+ aren't nearly as good as what's in the B2-Four. They track terribly on bass and they just sound pretty gosh darned awful. The regular octaver sounds fine, and tracks pretty well. The bass octaver doesn't track well for me. I sure wish Zoom would have included a couple overdrives. I get that it's a can of worms and they don't want to affect the sale of other pedals, but still, couldn't they have just added a tube screamer with low/mid/high knobs. I really hope that someone figures out a way to hack the MS+ series to customize the modules a little bit.

The knobs are recessed a bit, making them difficult for me to spin them without accidentally pressing the knob's button. Trying to press the upper left/right buttons to change presets is every bit as stupid as I expected it would be. And the preset number not being show is inexcusable. I think there's room in the left & right margins, they could have easily displayed the preset number there.
 
#58
It doesn't make sense that tracking would be any different between the two units since they both employed the new hardware/chip (as far I can tell). I own the 60b+ and 70cdr+ and both sound better than my B3n. The analog octaver in the newer units sounds much better to me than the bass octaver in the b3n, which was totally usable. Tracks better too. I couldn't be more pleased with the "plus" series and just ordered their new looper.

All things considered, I'd take the set of 60b and 70cdr over the Stomp (which I've owned) for half the price. Comparable sounds, more intuitive and less board space.
 
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