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Reeves Tube Bass Amp Field Test

Nov 8, 2004
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Well, I have a few gigs under my belt with the Reeves bass amp prototype and as promised in this previous post;
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=352029&highlight=reeves
I am posting my observations.

I used a Sunn 215S cabinet loaded with Electrovoice EVM15L’s and passive basses (Fender MIA Jazz w/ S1 switching and a Ric 4003), mostly to get a comparison to the tube amp setup I usually run (Sunn 200S or 2000S) for a baseline for comparison that I’m very familiar with.
The first thing I notice is the difference that was obvious in initial testing; this Reeves is strong, real strong. My 2000S’s are powerful amps, but this Reeves is in a different class. As I said initially, it feels like it has an extra pair of KT88’s in it. I think Reeves is going to market it as the Reeves Custom 225, but I believe 225 watts is still conservative. The headroom is astounding. One of the gigs I used it for was an outside venue, I was sure that it would be a great test of the amp’s reserve power. Even with no PA assist (and many scowls from my bandmates), to get it to break up I had to roll back the master volume to 10 o’clock before any significant grind was apparent. By comparison at similar SPL’s a healthy Sunn 2000S is getting very “Pappalardi”. Cool, but very old school raging bass tone. The Reeves at the same SPL levels, but with the master wide open, is still clean Hiwattish, very clear and tight bottom with more than ample of headroom in reserve. I would say to emulate the overdrive response characteristics and overall SPL of a cranked up 2000S, the Reeves master volume would be at 9 or 10 o’clock, less than half of its potential. In my book, that’s a strong amp!
I think though, the best feature of the Reeves is its controllability at practically any level. With most big vintage tube amps, to find the “sweet spot” you need to open them up, get them cooking a little bit, to utilize the warmth or grind characteristics that is likely the reason to choose an all tube amp in the first place. With the Reeves, by using the master volume, preamp volume(s) and presence controls you can dial in just about anything you want at any level, showing a versatility usually not found in a vintage point to point hand wired circuit.
Another notable characteristic is the Reeves’s touch sensitivity to input attack, something that is usually found on high end boutique guitar amps. This is an attribute the Reeves shares with the Sunns, and one of the reasons I became so enamored of the big Sunn amps initially. With a passive bass, normal finger style can be clean and rich, but when you lean into it or pop strings the amp will snarl back in response. The harder you hit it, the more growl it serves up, without turning up the input volume or the volume on the bass. Kind of cool and something solid state amps don’t seem to do so much.
The Reeves prototype is pretty much in its final configuration, and as a concession to the 21st century has a DI as well as a 15db input pad switch for active basses, but I used neither. My goal was to wring it out “old school” to get a feel for the overall tone, balance and power of the amp. I don’t know if it’s for everyone, but it certainly fits for me.
I don’t know when the production models will be released, or the final price point, but I do know the production chassis and cabinets are in house at Reeves, so it won’t be long.
 
Nice report on the Reeves, I had been considering the idea of a Hiwatt amp, this sounds like a quality product and a great alternative to paying for a collector's piece. It probably goes without saying, but is this a big heavy beast? I briefly played guitar through a Hiwatt once and the huge headroom really took me by surprise.
 
It's pretty heavy. Huge tube headroom generally equals huge "iron". Also the Reeves uses heavier gauge steel for the chassis than the current Hiwatt amps. They take their build quality very seriously, pretty much overkill on all structural, component and wiring features. I've been carting it around as a naked chassis, kind of a pain, literally!
Maybe 60 lbs or so, give or take.
But... as another concession to this century, unlike the unwieldy DR201 Hiwatt that it's modeled after, the production Reeves will be in a 24" wide box. Much easier to cart around than the bulkier DR201, and it also "fits" on most modern bass speaker cabinets better.
 
I've also been involved in the field testing for this amp, and I have to echo what Ed has already posted, and add my 2 or 3 cents.

Playing situations were: medium size room through old SVT cab., with minimal d.i. signal through p.a., outside through same SVT cab. with enough d.i. signal to be balanced in the mix, and small room through an Aguilar 1-12, with enough d.i. to be balanced.

Impressions of all 3 situations: what Ed said, and, I had no noise through the amp or the d.i.
in the medium room, which always has a.c. noise issues. Also, soundman outdoors said he just brought up the bass line and had no problems with noise or level. Absolutely simple d.i. that works (no level control, but they might add a ground lift). Small room was great; big full sound,
lovely tone, through 1-12 and a small pa.

I love tube bass heads. My search for a s.s. equivalent has led me to Thunderfunk (which I like very much) but I've been looking for an watt alternative to my SVT for a long time, and the
Reeves is it. Powerful, tons of headroom, very manageable in any playing situation. It's the sound I hear in my head (not the voices, the other sound).

One more thing. The outdoor gig was hot (high 80's) and no cover. The Reeves I had was just the chassis with no cooling. I reached back after an hour to check the output trans. and it was very warm, but not too hot to put my hand on it. Same result after a 4 hour gig ( I just left it on standby).

I'm impressed. I'm sold. I want one.

Play on,

Marc
 
Thanks edbass and thenplayon (Fleetwood Mac fan?... without the women, of course :smug:) for the reviews.
I've been a Hiwatt DR-103 player since ~'71, with mine still going strong. NOTHING comes close to the sound of a Hiwatt IMO.
I have never needed more than the 100W I have on tap, for the venues I play anyway... But it sure is nice to know that I have an alternative, like the Reeves.
Rock On!
 
Nice catch, xsubs (Mac w/o the women). You must be really old... ;)
And you appear to blessed, having that fine old Hiwatt.
That's why I have to go for the Reeves; new amp based on great heritage. It's proven to
be similarly expensive to find an old classic and re-tube / re-cap, etc.
BTW, what are you using for cab. / cabs. ?
 
"Nice catch, xsubs (Mac w/o the women). You must be really old... "
I am pretty old, come to think of it :smug: ...
That LP (remember those!) has always been my fave, from FM.

I play through an old Hiwatt 2x15, and a Marshall 4x12 (recently acquired). The Marshall was quite a find, based on what I can find about the cab. It's an early 80's JCM800 Bass Series cab, with UK Celestions. The low mids/mids are killer! It lacks a bit on the bass end, but that's where the 2x15 shines! :D

I AM blessed with a great rig, and NEVER touch the FOH anywhere I play.
Cheers
Sean
 
I'll be spending some quality time at home this weekend with the new Reeves, my plan is to use a 1 X D140F cab and really put the preamp stage through it's paces with the master volume way down. I have great expectations for my 4003 with the bridge p/u throught the bright channel and the neck p/u through the normal channel or vise versa, kinda psuedo stereo. I haven't really had the chance to play with it in a "non gig" setting.
I'll post the results.
Also Reeves has dropped the price to $2299, but only as an intro price to get them out in circulation. That almost a grand less than the best deal I've found on a new Hiwatt DR201 (I love my vintage gear but I've had my share of old tube amp failures/repair costs, I like warranties!), and I like the Reeves features and bigger headroom so I guess it's time for me to get out the check book, I don't figure they will get any less expensive as the word gets out! ;)
 
Reading about prices makes me wish I would have bought my brother in laws 100 watt original Hi watt back when he sold it for a little more than 100 bucks back in the 80's. He said it had to be turned up too loud to get a good sound from his guitar.
 
Hi Howdy!

I've been a big fan of Reeves workmanship ever since I heard of them.

Rock solid build quality and roadworthy.

Bill is also amazingly patient! :-)

I spent the last couple of weeks trying to decide on investment in a vintage Blue Line, Hiwatt DR-201 or a brand spankin new, 100% hand wired Reeves 225 built like a fortress, in the U.S. of A. and with a warranty :-)

I'm old and 85 pounds on the SVT will hurt me.


The Reeves comes in at 59 pounds if that's correct.
That's a huge plus.


Finding a clean semi affordable Hiwatt DR-201 Arghhhh!

And then what cab as an alernative to my '73 8X10

I'm really liking the idea of the fliptops.net '70's Flat Back SVT 4X10,
but sheesh, what speakers? I'm used to my schweet old ones.

Is there a really great sounding full range single 15" that can handle 400 watts, well defined highs and mids and still handle low B's?

The mind boggles
 
I'm looking at the reproduction B-15 Fliptop cab from fliptops.net as well as their 70's 4X10.

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Just order my Custom 225 this evening.

Can't wait to hear it!

But dang what speaker? Needs to handle 300 watt easily.
 
Hi Howdy!

I've been a big fan of Reeves workmanship ever since I heard of them.

Rock solid build quality and roadworthy.

Bill is also amazingly patient! :-)

I spent the last couple of weeks trying to decide on investment in a vintage Blue Line, Hiwatt DR-201 or a brand spankin new, 100% hand wired Reeves 225 built like a fortress, in the U.S. of A. and with a warranty :-)

I'm old and 85 pounds on the SVT will hurt me.


The Reeves comes in at 59 pounds if that's correct.
That's a huge plus.


Finding a clean semi affordable Hiwatt DR-201 Arghhhh!

And then what cab as an alernative to my '73 8X10

I'm really liking the idea of the fliptops.net '70's Flat Back SVT 4X10,
but sheesh, what speakers? I'm used to my schweet old ones.

Is there a really great sounding full range single 15" that can handle 400 watts, well defined highs and mids and still handle low B's?

The mind boggles

If you don't mind a DIY here's the thread for a fEarful 15+6 (can be done as a 2-way or 3-way):

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=508659
(you could always hire a local cabinet carpenter to build it for you).

If you have the funds there's the Bergantino NV215 new or used (sealed 2x15 + a 6" mid).
 
I'm looking at the reproduction B-15 Fliptop cab from fliptops.net as well as their 70's 4X10.

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Just order my Custom 225 this evening.

Can't wait to hear it!

But dang what speaker? Needs to handle 300 watt easily.

Congratulations!

The Trace Elliot 1153 is reportedly a good 1x15 as well, but you'd have to find it used -- they come up for sale every once in awhile at a decent price.
 
Since I already have my '73 SVT 8X10, I'm hoping to find
something more semi-portable that also records well.

Selecting speakers is even more difficult than selecting cabs.

Been a long time since I needed to purchase drivers for a bass cab.

My SVT 8X10 makes a cool guitar cab with my Hot Cat 100R

but what to get in a smaller format that can still handle the Reeves and compliment the quality of this fine amp.