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Did I just pay a high price for my eagerness?

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Admittedly my background is in a different industry. I guess I should have been more specific and said if the fluid was a hydrocarbon, halogenated fluid, mineral oil, or even the more rare askeral. But to the average guy simply calling an oil filled cap, an oil filled cap is good enough. I'll try to limit my technical inputs in the future and happily bow to your superiority. Just to make sure was that spelled elektroelyte? :)
I work(ed) in that industry as well, totally different technology and reason for using insulating, heat transferring dielectric oils. Some of those failures are spectacular to say the least. Messy, very messy.
 
Admittedly my background is in a different industry. I guess I should have been more specific and said if the fluid was a hydrocarbon, halogenated fluid, mineral oil, or even the more rare askeral. But to the average guy simply calling an oil filled cap, an oil filled cap is good enough. I'll try to limit my technical inputs in the future and happily bow to your superiority. Just to make sure was that spelled elektroelyte? :)

An oil is an oil, the length of the hydrocarbon chain is not important. Don't feel that you have to constrain yourself.

The oil that you don't want is PCB (Polychlorinated Biphenyls, Transformer oil - Wikipedia). At one time, there were capacitors filled with this stuff. A good reason for a cap job if this type of capacitor is in your amp.

This confuses a lot of people, they get nervous when they hear that there are PCBs in their amp. They are confusing printed circuit board PCB with PCB oil.
 
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Thank goodness my bank account can survive the enormous hit of losing your non-existent business. Never sold anything here, never will. Enjoy your moral superiority.

nothing about superiority... but you're suggesting something that's wrong and now get butthurt about people not liking it...
People doing poopie like that is the reason we pay higher insurance premiums than we'd need to, etc... so, no, I'm not a fan of your attitude

edit... 'poopie'???? :D
 
I work(ed) in that industry as well, totally different technology and reason for using insulating, heat transferring dielectric oils. Some of those failures are spectacular to say the least. Messy, very messy.

Yep. When I worked at Bonneville Dam ~15-20 years ago there was an ongoing PCB cleanup project going on. And there's still plenty more where that came from, which is mostly an ill advised landfill right next to the Columbia River. No bueno.
 
I work(ed) in that industry as well, totally different technology and reason for using insulating, heat transferring dielectric oils. Some of those failures are spectacular to say the least. Messy, very messy.
You ran a cross country ballroom dancie academy too? Wow what are the odds! Mine failed because too many women got there dresses snagged during the 10k Tango. :)

BTW.. I never take myself too seriously, sometimes others do. I can only feel sorry for them.
 
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Except the higher costs that are passed on to future buyers.

There's an article today on WSJ, I think, about a service that Best Buy and other retailers are using to track dishonest returns. If you return too many time or questionable returns, your future returns are cut off.

It's absolutely killing small businesses, that are being forced to offer free returns to compete with the large box shifters, like Amazon (there are different business laws in the UK, governing online purchases, vs bricks & mortar store purchases).

I have a friend who is an independent furniture manufacturer.

Sold a handmade chest of draws to a woman, who took advantage of free delivery (hauling it up several flights of stairs, and putting it exactly where she wanted it placed in her home).

27 days later, she calls up, saying she no longer wants it, and is entitled to a full refund, and free collection.

He, and an assistant, have to drive all the way out to her house, and carefully remove the item from her home, back down flights of stairs, and safely back to the shop.

He asked her what the problem with the item was, and she said :

"Oh, I bought 3 different items, from 3 different companies, just to see which one looks nicest in my home, and return the other 2 - it's free."


So as a result, 2 independent manufacturers have had items returned, that they built to order, that can only be sold at a reduced price as "returns", that are taking up additional shop space, and that they have had to go through the hassle and expense of building, delivering, and collecting, unnecessarily.
 
Except the seller, manufacturer and lender.

And future buyers... the money comes from someplace. Returns jack up prices.

Except the higher costs that are passed on to future buyers.

I don't think so. Manufacturers do their numbers to cover failures, returns and other incidentals and they pass that "overcost" to consumers beforehand in the retail price... That cover loses for 1 (or 2) years warranty. Did you think warranty is free of charge? Same as big surface superstores charge their customers for possible robbery losses. They are corporations and they have all very well tied and calculated.

Edited after last post about small business: This is about Trace Elliot/Peavey, not small business.

I will not argue or discuss for the moral or ethics because every one has their own and I think this is not the place to do it.
Cheers!
 
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Coincidence, something I noticed today. My midi "bass" is a cheap Strat Copy with a Shadow midi pickup on that I got secondhand many years ago. I've always kept the Shadow PSU and the Shadow pickup set together, and I've always noticed the floor box that is part of the unit gets very hot. For the first time today I actually read all the writing on the floor box and the PSU, and its the wrong PSU! Its been pushing 30V into the little box instead of 9V, so I'm very lucky I'm not in the same boat as the OP.
 
What you're saying is that overcost is impacted by returns, and calculated upfront. So if returns increase because more people blow up their amps it doesn't iimpact future overcost calculations?

Interesting how this thread has gone through all the different stages...the moral aspect, the economic aspect and the electrical theory aspect. OP.... great post !!! Bummer about your amp though. You've got to do a follow and let us know what you ended out doing.
 
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I don't think so. Manufacturers do their numbers to cover failures, returns and other incidentals and they pass that "overcost" to consumers beforehand in the retail price... That cover loses for 1 (or 2) years warranty. Did you think warranty is free of charge? Same as big surface superstores charge their customers for possible robbery losses. They are corporations and they have all very well tied and calculated.

Edited after last post about small business: This is about Trace Elliot/Peavey, not small business.

I will not argue or discuss for the moral or ethics because every one has their own and I think this is not the place to do it.
Cheers!

Manufacturers absolutely do factor such costs into the price you pay. The greater these costs the greater YOUR cost.

This is one reason why some manufacturers, especially those with liberal warranties, put such effort into making reliable products. Unfortunately it's hard and costly to deal with those who take advantage of such policies with accidentally (or intentionally) abused products.

Incidentally, we recently included input power auto-voltage detection and selection plus overvoltage protection in some amps models to prevent this, but it did add some cost. Hopefully it will reduce overall costs by eliminating such accidental (or intentional, and I'm NOT saying the OP did this intentionally) problems that get claimed under warranty.
 
I will try that too. The GC sales rep assured my friend that this will work with the 220V electrical system. that's why I instructed him to buy it right away.



Yes it comes with a cable and I was using that cable itself.

I don't understand. First you wrote that you were too eager and forgot that the amp was not compatible with the amount of voltage in your country. Now you are saying that it should be and the guy at GC gave your friend wrong information?
Am I missing something?

Anyways - you fried a (cheap) amp. Not the end of the world. Thank god you did not burn down your house. Count your blessings.
 
I don't understand. First you wrote that you were too eager and forgot that the amp was not compatible with the amount of voltage in your country. Now you are saying that it should be and the guy at GC gave your friend wrong information?
Am I missing something?

Anyways - you fried a (cheap) amp. Not the end of the world. Thank god you did not burn down your house. Count your blessings.


Wait until the thread gets to 12 pages deep.
 
Why would Guitar Center in the UK carry anything that runs on 120 volts?

I'm guessing it was GC, USA, as I am not aware of there even being a GC, UK. Warranty would not be valid, except a manufacturer warranty, which would have been invalidated by the use.

Still confused how you made the plugs work.

The OP posted the 4 way strip they used, which will accept US plugs. I am in the UK, and have one like that too, for friends from the USA when visiting (edit: it accepts a variety of plug types). Those are really meant for typical laptop power supplies, etc., which auto-sense voltage.
 
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