Fodera protected their intellectual property. Fender did not. Thus, Fodera copies are bad. Fender copies are not. Is that it?
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- Thread starter J.P. Heston
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This has been explained:
Easy, right?
False dichotomy. What exactly are you fishing for here? Who said Fender copies are not bad as well?
FWIW, I feel the same way about Fender counterfeits coming from China.
I'm fishing for the reason why people get mad at a fake Fodera but not at Sadowsky, and the only reason I've been given so far is because Fodera is protected intellectual property and Fender is not.
Understood.
I can't answer for anyone else, but like I said, I despise counterfiet products no matter who's name is on them.
I've answered you, now I have a question. You seem (I could be wrong) to want to hand-wave away the counterfeit issue. Why?
Asked and answered multiple times. Fender logo/trademark and headstock shape are protected. Body shape is generic at this point. Hence a Sadowsky isn't an illegal copy of a Fender.
You're not wrong. I don't have a problem with the counterfeit issue because I don't think it's a problem. I don't think it hurts Fodera or anyone else.
Fair enough.
Would it bother you if something of your hard work and sweat was being ripped off?
Asked and answered multiple times on other threads. None of them use the Fender logo or trademark headstock shape. The double cut body and other design cues are essentially generic at this point.
Sure. I didn't say it shouldn't bother Fodera, but they're not hurt by it. Chinese Fodera copies aren't hurting their business.
Just curious. Why do you think any company goes to the trouble and expense of protecting their trademarks and designs? If counterfeits don't hurt anyone, why bother?
What do you do for a living? Certain jobs/careers make people more sensitive or dependent on IP issues.
Thats a good question. I suppose so a real company capable of real competition can't copy it. The Chinese knockoffs are crap. They're not a threat.
The trademarked logo seems to be the main issue. The copyright holder loses revenue.
Copies are one thing, counterfeits are another.The small guys, like Fodera for EX: have the most to lose, in revenue and reputation with counterfeits YET on that note:
"Big Names" don't have a problem with Logo'd counterfeit product, as long as (apparently) the artist is an endorser.
Ghost building is also a common practice Slash has Les Pauls, that were not built by Gibson, but is labeled as such.
Kris Derrig (ghost builder)
Paul Reed Smith "ghost built"
Tom Anderson also a former (current?) "ghost builder
another example : Invalid Link Removed
major manufacturers contract:
"JEM" Ibanez's Invalid Link Removed
Kramers were made in Canada by Godin
this guy is a turd, but here is a good pile of info
Copies are one thing, counterfeits are another.The small guys, like Fodera for EX: have the most to lose, in revenue and reputation with counterfeits YET on that note:
"Big Names" don't have a problem with Logo'd counterfeit product, as long as (apparently) the artist is an endorser.
Ghost building is also a common practice Slash has Les Pauls, that were not built by Gibson, but is labeled as such.
Kris Derrig (ghost builder)
Paul Reed Smith "ghost built"
Tom Anderson also a former (current?) "ghost builder
another example : Invalid Link Removed
major manufacturers contract:
"JEM" Ibanez's Invalid Link Removed
Kramers were made in Canada by Godin
this guy is a turd, but here is a good pile of info
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As I understand it, if IP isn't defended against the crappy non-threats, it can't be defended against the real competition either. It's all or nothing. That's why RIC, for example, is so aggressive in defending their designs, if they let a bunch of fakes slide, they'll lose their exclusive rights to the designs.
+1
We've hit a new low when we don't care about something unless it affects us.
Agree.
Yes. Also consider that even though the current crop of Chinese Fodera copies are crap, they could very well get better. If they see they have a market, they could pay attention to enough details to make copies that would pass an Alibaba photo shift test. If they really got serious, they could make passable copies of $10,000 Foderas to sell for $2,000 that might well fool the less than knowledgeable player.
Makes no difference whether they are Asian websites or web sites from Tennessee (where I live). The issue is original vs unlicensed fake.
