100 watts at 8ohm, 160 at 4ohm

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by flameworker, Dec 11, 2014.

  1. flameworker

    flameworker Guest

    Jun 15, 2014
    Landenberg, Pennsylvania
    one day....
    What is the biggest/most appropriate cabinet/speaker (s) I can power with that?

    What is a good book to learn of these things? I barely understand how amp wattage works.

    How is a 15 watt Marshall able to power 8 12" speakers? I read Jimi Hendricks' heads were mostly 15watt, later modified to 20.

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  2. flameworker

    flameworker Guest

    Jun 15, 2014
    Landenberg, Pennsylvania
    one day....
    oh, and i'm reading the stickie, i also want an actual paper take it on the train book.
     
  3. lowfreq33

    lowfreq33 Guest

    Jan 27, 2010
    Nashville
    Endorsing Artist: Genz Benz Amplification
    As long as the wattage rating of the cab is above the power output of head at that impedance you're fine. There's no such thing as under powering a cab.
     
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  4. flameworker

    flameworker Guest

    Jun 15, 2014
    Landenberg, Pennsylvania
    one day....
    I should have been more clear, I dont it to sound "weak" I have under powered before and didnt get the punch and rich clean harmonics i was after, the same cab with more wattage gave me what i was after.
     
  5. flameworker

    flameworker Guest

    Jun 15, 2014
    Landenberg, Pennsylvania
    one day....
    My favorite amp ever was an SWR baby blue second generation, the one with the separate head. The 2x8" cab was great, but it handled 2 15" bad end cabinets well.
     
  6. rmbassman

    rmbassman

    Sep 18, 2014
    You just take a amp which wattage is small or equal the cabs .Of course that need the impedances are match.
     
  7. rmbassman

    rmbassman

    Sep 18, 2014
    the power of amp,it mean the amp can push how many energy ,and the power of cab mean it can accept the most watt of energy.so in the same impedances ,cab's power better no smaller than the amp's power
     
  8. rmbassman

    rmbassman

    Sep 18, 2014
    in other side ,if the cab's impedances is larger than amp, amp will sent less watt,else if the cab's impedances is less than amp ,the amp will sent more watt.so if the impedances of cab and amp are no match,it will become more difficult to analye
     
  9. Fun Size Nick

    Fun Size Nick

    Feb 21, 2006
    London, UK
    I'm not sure which specific Marshall heads you're referring to, but a 15 watt Marshall can power 8x12"s 'better' (i.e. louder) than it can a single 12"! Many people seem to think that more speakers need more power, when the opposite is true(r) - more speakers means more surface area which means greater sensitivity (loudness per watt). Your 160W amp through an 8x10" fridge would probably be great for small gigs (the Ampeg V4B through such a cab gets plenty of love here and it's just 100W!), where the same 160W amp through, say, a 2x10 might struggle.

    This is part of the reason why the SVT, with its lowly (by modern standards) 300W output, is regarded as legendarily powerful - it's traditionally paired with a huge 8x10 cab!
     
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  10. el murdoque

    el murdoque

    Mar 10, 2013
    Germany
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  11. JAdamCotterBass

    JAdamCotterBass Inactive

    Sep 29, 2013
    Great information.
     
  12. Jim Carr

    Jim Carr Dr. Jim

    Jan 21, 2006
    Denton, TX or Kailua, HI
    fEARful Kool-Aid dispensing liberal academic card-carrying union member Musicians Local 72-147
    Which cabinet(s) are you contemplating using?
     
  13. Clammy

    Clammy

    Nov 3, 2008
    Ottawa, Canada
    Endorsing Artist: Neal Moser Guitars, DR Strings

    Hendrix used 100W heads. They weren't modified. Just cranked up into 2 4x12 cabs, and he used multiple stacks.

    Cheers!
     
  14. flameworker

    flameworker Guest

    Jun 15, 2014
    Landenberg, Pennsylvania
    one day....
    Clammy, fix Wikipedia, pretty sure that's where I read 15watt, stock Marshall full stacks were 15watts in 1969,is that true or no?
     
  15. flameworker

    flameworker Guest

    Jun 15, 2014
    Landenberg, Pennsylvania
    one day....
    I have a whole bunch of different drivers from 3" to8" and a I have a bunch of crossovers, even one variable crossover, and some pots to turn tweeters up down to tune the cab to the room.

    Building about 3' tall, 24" wide and deep, sectioning the bass speakers part to proper size and porting them. An amalgamation of what is on hand. Will take a lot of math. I would rather use 2 or 4 eights.but$$tight. I had a bass sale fall thru and that sucks.
     
  16. Jim Carr

    Jim Carr Dr. Jim

    Jan 21, 2006
    Denton, TX or Kailua, HI
    fEARful Kool-Aid dispensing liberal academic card-carrying union member Musicians Local 72-147
    As others have pointed out, this is an error. In general, you can use low power amplifiers to drive any speakers as long as the impedance limits of the amplifier are observed. N.B., I did not say a low power amplifier will be loud.
     
  17. Clammy

    Clammy

    Nov 3, 2008
    Ottawa, Canada
    Endorsing Artist: Neal Moser Guitars, DR Strings
    If that's in Wikipedia, it's WAY wrong. In 1969, the big boys were the Super Lead (model 1959) and Super Bass (model 1992), both rated at 100W, but when driven into distortion could easily put out over 150W. There were 50w versions of those amps as well - model 1986 for bass, model 1987 for lead. There were also tremolo versions of the lead amps with a "T" on end of the model number (1987T, 1959T). Marshall had other amps available at that time, with different power ratings, but those were the big 6 if, you will. Jimi definitely used 100w Lead amps (I don't know Jimi's history 100%, but in '69 he likely had Super Leads, but he might have still been using earlier 100W heads known as JTM45/100. Either way, it was always 100w lead heads into 2 4x12 cabs, and multiple full stacks cranked up).

    Cheers!
     
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