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12ax7 SHOOTOUT!

With your head the one direction that hasn't been mentioned is to go with a 5751, which has the same footprint of a 12AX7, but a diminished gain of about 20-30% depending on the tube. You can find JAN-Phillips 5751's for less than $30 and it will give you that deep warm tone. I believe the tube in the Eden signal path is mostly for a tone flavor buffer as opposed to a gain stage and the 5751 is real warm, deep and clean.
My $.02.
 
A bunch of the advice you've already received, has been from people who have all-tube front ends in amps like the Ampeg V4B. Their advice is probably quite meaningful for those amps.

But your Eden has a circuit that's known for sounding pretty much the same, no matter what tube is installed. The fact that you didn't realize that you had accidentally swapped out your preamp tube at some point in the past, only serves to confirm this.

As with exotic AC power cables, I suspect that most of what you're hearing, is just placebo effect.
 
I own an Eden WT-400 head and all this talk from people saying "it doesn't matter what 12AX7 tube you put in there cause they all pretty much sound the same" is a bunch of crap. I've tried dozens tubes (Sylvania, Mullard, Telefunken, GE, Raytheon, Sovtek, JJ, Ruby, RCA, Mesa) with some being new and most being NOS. My stock Ruby sounded THE worst compared to all the other tubes I tried.

My advise is to go with an older manufacturer NOS tube like Sylvania, GE, RCA, etc. Bass player's opinions on tubes is just like the "which strings are the best" type question. It depends on everything else in your bass rig setup (instrument, amp, cabinet(s), cables,) the style(s) of music you play, and what your ears want to hear. I'm just saying from experience the NOS seems to be the way to go for most folks. Seems that the new Chinese tubes don't have the desired sounds that most people are looking for like the old tubes that were mostly made in the USA, Great Britain, Holland, and Russia.

I would say if you aren't a tone slut (like me :)) then go with whatever you want, whether that would be a new tube that is available at your local music store or shop around for the best deal on the internet.

I will say from experience that tubes are similar to reeds for a reed instrument like a clarinet or saxophone: you can buy a box of 10 reeds, play them all and each one will sound and play different than the next even though they are all technically the same, but maybe 5 of those reeds will be good enough to be deemed performance quality. Granted, we don't go through tubes nearly as fast as a sax player will go through reeds, but I have found through my own trials that tubes work the same way. I bought 4 of the same tube NOS, tried all of them in my amp, and each one was similar BUT they all had their differences that made them sound unique. I played through all the notes on my bass guitar and each tube responded differently. From tube to tube I could tell a difference in clarity especially in the E string. The main thing I did was let my ears hear the differences and pick out what I liked the most. I also heard more differences at higher volumes than at low volumes, though I didn't turn my amp up any louder than I would at a gig. Me personally, I like the sound of a Sylvania Jan 12ax7wa best with my setup. Many others would agree it's a good tube and many others out there would say there is something better out there. They are opinions and everyone's choice to digest them how they choose.

With you having an Eden amp, if you haven't already, do read the instruction manual on how to set up your amp settings properly. I've run into musicians that tried to run their Eden amp like the amp they previously owned and after I showed them how Eden recommends you set your amp up they were amazed at how much better it sounded. Your EQ should be pretty much at 12 o'clock for each knob, enhance at about 11 o'clock, gain at about 1 o'clock, and then master volume up as much as it needs to be based on the room size.

#1 Do what you are financially able to do. Don't overextend your budget. Many times cheaper does not mean better, but if that's all you can afford then you make do with it.
#2 Do what sounds best (better) to your ears. If you have guys asking you after your gig about what you are using in your bass setup it's because it sounded good to them and they want to find out how you did it so they can do it too! Sounds like you have a nice setup already and a better tube will enhance what you already have. Good luck my friend!
 
I've got some NOS Telefunken select (medical grade) ECC83s. I put one in V1 of my DB750, and it really tightened it up - so much that even I notice it. I also put one in my Shuttle 9.0. I didn't hear a significant difference, but Doug Parent did. So I left it in.
+1 on Telefunkens!

I stumbled upon a craigslist ad a couple of years ago for a semi-ratty shop that was refurbishing vintage amps. This guy had boxes of used vintage tubes, covered in layers of dust, and I ended up leaving with a dozen 12AX7s that tested at 100% for dirt cheap.

I rolled GE, Sylvania, RCA, Tungsram (a close second place tonally,) but the Telefunkens clearly sounded better to me in my TB-600. Clearer, deeper low end and smoother highs without the brittle nature the stock Sovteks had.

If you can find a Telefunken at a decent price, I'd suggest you go for it. There's a reason they are so coveted - they truly do sound fantastic.
 
As someone said here, Tube Rolling is a hobby of its own. I've tried various 12AX7's in various amps, mainly Ampeg (3, 6, and SVT). Some slots I noticed a difference, some other slots I "tried" to notice a difference. I can however say, where it was noticeable, it made a difference.

All in all, I actually found that I ended up liking 5751 tubes in some slots instead of 12AX7, so go figure.

I really liked an old GE 5-Star (Military grade), and a Raytheon Windmill Getter - both 5721 - They both added some "beef" to the sound.

I also tried some other NOS 12AX7 tubes which were supposed to be highly rated from what I read, but I did not like them in my amps. I'm guessing they may have worked better for guitar or record players, but not so much for bass

What it comes down to is.... it will vary from amp to amp, tube to tube, slot to slot, ear to ear... room to room... em... what else... tube to slot to amp to cab to room to ear... that should cover it :D
 
The preamp tube in your Eden WILL make a difference in tone. I have pretty much settled on Telefunken smooth plate ECC83's for my amps. I do have one GE 12AX7A short plate tube in my Demeter preamp and a Sylvania 7025 in my Alembic.

IMO:

Telefunken ECC83 is the most hi fi with the least color. Transparent, clear and tight sounding.

GE short plate 12AX7A's are very close to the Telefunken but the highs have a little more edge to them.

Sylvania 12AX7A/7025 is very warm and buttery sounding.

RCA 12AX7/7025 very nice sounding tube. Nice balance between highs and lows and good clarity. Adds a bit of warm color to the tone.

I tried 5751's and they seemed to have less detail/clarity to me. Never played a gig with one.

Chuck
 
Bean639 and other Eden users out there,

If you want to talk with others who are also using Eden products, check out their forum: [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]

Chuck M, I was wondering what Eden amp you are using. I use the WT-400 which many say is the warmest sounding Eden amp ever made. Maybe that's why when I tried a Telefunken 12ax7 in my amp it sounded too mushy on the low end.

Bean639, your WT-800 should sound similar to the WT-400 except it's not quite as warm and the highs are pronounced a little more on yours. It's a nice amp and with the right tube you'll get "your sound" eventually. Trust me, when you put in the right tube, you'll know right away.

Also, as long as we are talking about making our tone sound better, I'll say that my experience with Evidence Audio Cables has been great. I was a skeptic at first like most people, but I started out by getting a Siren II speaker cable for my bass rig and WOW was I impressed! The best way I can describe it is that it sounds like someone did a complete setup on my bass and everything sounds more balanced. I thought it sounded great when I first tried it at home, but I took it to band practice last Saturday and I really noticed a difference! As I have heard others say in reviews, it's like you can turn it up as much as you want and you don't get that "it's too loud" type of feeling ever. It was very pleasant to listen to it sit nice with the rest of the band. I also bought a Lyric HG XLR mic cable and I've been wowwed by that as well! My next step is to get the Lyric HG Instrument cable for my bass. They are a bit pricey, but considering what I've spent on other cables in the past, I'd recommend them to anyone no matter what instrument you play or even for recording. I think this will be a "one and done" type cable and I should never buy another cable brand again. I can't say enough good things about the Evidence Audio line of products.
 
look on ebay for a "lot" of a few different 12ax7-type tubes (used is fine) and you can try a few different tubes and decide which you prefer. You can buy fancy NOS tubes that are similar to the ones you like.