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#282
It's the absolutism and religious fervor of both sides of the argument that makes finding the truth out so difficult, and I don't get where it comes from whichever side it is defending.
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The argument always starts the same way, by antagonistic zealots who cannot resist telling other members, that;

* What they've learned to be true (thru decades of hands-on experience) is in fact, all just stupid bull****.

* That those that can hear the subtle differences between certain instruments, are simply delusional.

* That all established instrument builders (the real experts) and parts suppliers are deliberately perpetuating "myths", in order to take advantage of gullible suckers.

* That a few spurious internet "tests", conducted with completely inadequately sized samples, behind closed doors (can anyone really know what occurs there?), magically disproves the established facts.

In the end, it boils down to trolling.
 
#283
john_martin_sai said:
Off the Original Topic but a Relevant Read.....

Vintage Guitar Myths
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I love his comment at the end of the article.

"Whether you have a 1959 Les Paul, a Lashing replica or a $300 import copy - if you're enjoying yourself with it than its a great guitar IMO."

It would seem that it would be difficult to come by a more authoritative opinion that that of Mr. Lashing. Great link!

iJazz
 
#284
michael_atw said:
Nope, not really "so sure of myself". Just have listened to the counter-arguments and they are quite powerful. In light of them, I have no problem standing behind my belief as being able to be authenticated. Which is why I issued that challenge earlier in the thread. That's not sure of "myself", but IMO sure of the fact. It has nothing to do with me, I am not emotionally invested in either theory or opinion. Only in what is true and discern-able.
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to you. :rollno:



michael_atw said:
Strings do not trump the change you can make to the pickups. The strings are nothing but metal cords without the pickups. The pickups are the epicenter and essentially the engine that drives a solid-body instrument. They're majorly independent of all else. That's why you can take Lindy Fralins or Custom Shop pickups and put them in an old Squier and get an immensely improved sound. However, it may not still intonate well if the quality is poor so that will have an effect - which is why I described neck and bridge working together as the second biggest contribution to the sound.
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again, you couldn't be more wrong.

michael_atw said:
Never said the wood had absolute zero effect - merely said the effect of the wood is grossly exaggerated (especially the neck wood, I laugh at that theory) and is a very nominal change if even audible or discernable to a good ear.
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laugh all you want. all that tells me is that you can't hear it
 
#285
One thing I have learned is that the more you know, the less you know. I'm at the point where I think I know a very little bit, and am happy to learn more and have my not so strong opinions challenged. I'm going to stop high-jacking this thread because it is not contributing anything to the general knowledge or arguments for or against.

Sorry for being so insistent, I just feel strongly that the answers (as they often do) lie somewhere between the most extreme positions. There is a lot to be learned yet and entrenchment is not really helpful to the furtherance of knowledge on a very complicated and fascinating subject.
 
#294
Mr. One Drop. I obviously haven't read every post you've ever posted, but from everything I've seen, you are courteous by nature and I would never take offense by anything you post. I had about 5 interesting threads subbed over the weekend and by late Sunday every one of them devolved into people sniping at each other. Such a shame. It's just human nature, I guess. And some of the rude comments that ended up in Dan's Jamerson post this morning...I just ask myself "why"? And then there's the thread where TB'ers are positively shocked that the top pros in the industry are playing P-bass's at the Grammys when they could be playing anything they wanted to. Somebody MUST be paying them to do it. It's mind boggling. I think I'm sticking with the "Show Us Your Basses" threads from here on out.

No offence taken, buddy.
 
#295
GreenWithEnvy said:
Mr. One Drop. I obviously haven't read every post you've ever posted, but from everything I've seen, you are courteous by nature and I would never take offense by anything you post. I had about 5 interesting threads subbed over the weekend and by late Sunday every one of them devolved into people sniping at each other. Such a shame. It's just human nature, I guess. And some of the rude comments that ended up in Dan's Jamerson post this morning...I just ask myself "why"? And then there's the thread where TB'ers are positively shocked that the top pros in the industry are playing P-bass's at the Grammys when they could be playing anything they wanted to. Somebody MUST be paying them to do it. It's mind boggling. I think I'm sticking with the "Show Us Your Basses" threads from here on out.

No offence taken, buddy.
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I'm cool, never thought there was any bad blood between us!

I'm guilty of being very wrong, and also of being too argumentative and insistent in the past. I'm the same way in real life, but to a much lesser degree. Something about the anonymity makes it easy to treat people with less respect than they deserve, and would be treated with in real life.

Stick around, there are plenty of great threads and forums without getting into hot button territory (though sometimes the most seemingly inoffensive topics or comments blow up- just like real life).
 
#296
GreenWithEnvy said:
.............. And then there's the thread where TB'ers are positively shocked that the top pros in the industry are playing P-bass's at the Grammys when they could be playing anything they wanted to.................
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and every one of those p basses sounded awesome last night, and for no other reason, IMO, that's why they were playing them. ;)
 
#298
IanAllison said:
Someone ought to hit up ol' tune-o-matic and ask him some questions about the legitimacy of this bass.

:hiding:
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I did call him, very cool dude. I asked him how these things were kept so clean, he said he doesn't know the original seller. He acquired these through an auction house (I didn't ask which one, it wasn't a guitar only auction).

He said that out of all the pre CBS basses he's had, these are the cleanest and the best he's ever had or ever will have. He said that a collector obviously purchased them and just stashed them away.
 
#299
johnk_10 said:
to you. :rollno:
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No, I'm quite happy to admit that any difference which can be detected by a person at above the statistical probability of chance in a double blind test IS discernible to that person.

Now, no one has ever actually demonstrated that - but when they do, I have no problem accepting the evidence.

I think most of the "wood is really important" proponents on the other hand would cling to their beliefs like iron filings to a magnet, regardless of the evidence from testing... and I'm sure there would be lots of hand waving about how they really can tell a difference - just not in a test.
 

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