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A4's picked up at lunch and a couple of thoughts on them based on music listening, not playing. I have a fairly standard listening list for headphones with some classical and some bass-driven songs to check things.

Beethoven, Overture to Incidental Music "Egmont"- fuller with A4's than A3's because the low-end (bassoons, etc) came out more. Very nice actually and a good digital recording from Radio Swiss Classic on the internet (great classical station and you can practice your German, French or Italian while listening).

Motown and some funk (e.g. What is Hip) did not have much difference. A little more bass forward, but very subtle and almost indistinguishable between the A3's and A4's. I remember when I got the A3's and compared to the Qi's, that the Qi's all of a sudden felt very boomy, especially on older, Jamerson music. Not so with the A4's.

Newer music, bass heavy - I go through a few Nathan East songs that has B-string involvement (Chant, 101 Eastbound, Can't Find My Way Home and Get Lucky), Queens of the Stone Age (Lost Art, Sat by the Ocean), Foo Fighters, and Tool (Sober) to check heavy bass that is mixed on a separate channel. The A4's shine here vs. the A3's and even the Qi's (from memory granted). They felt big and rounded, but with a headroom to spare feeling, while the A3's felt almost maxed out that they were going to distort is the only way I can think to describe it. I even pushed the volume on the A4's and they never sounded anything but well-balanced and rounded with a full bass end of things. Really impressed.

Will write a bit more when I play my bass through my headphone amp; will be a while until I get them in a band setting I think, but will write more. Short story is that I'm glad I did the upgrade to my Qi's as these sound really good and seem to fit the bill a touch more than the A3's. I still like the A3's a lot, and if money were a concern, you could definitely do worse, but the A4's seem more refined relative to the A3's and Qi's based on music listening.

Playing of course, is another matter.
 
Any two channel wireless transmitter that has the ability to pan left/right on the receiver can do what you're wanting - You can send mix 1 to the left and mix 2 to the right inputs of the transmitter, and pan your receivers accordingly. Both receivers will need to be tuned to the frequency band of the transmitter, and depending on the receiver, you should be able to set it up to be mono so that the signal goes to both buds regardless of the panning. I know the Audio Technica M2 and M3 have this capability.

Thanks! Would each of those mixes be mono only, then?
 
Thanks for the input @TedH

Just ordered my first set, A4's. Still need to go get impressions done.

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Almost got these instead, but $50 artwork fee was out of my range.
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Thanks for the input @TedH

Just ordered my first set, A4's. Still need to go get impressions done.

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Almost got these instead, but $50 artwork fee was out of my range.
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Just played my Lakland 55-94 with rounds and my Sadowsky with flats, and both sound fuller with the A4's to my ears vs. the A3's. Definitely a bit nicer and the fullness seems more "less treble" than "more bass." Kind of strange, but I'm liking them a lot so far.
 
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My A4's came in this past Saturday afternoon. Used them later that night at a bar (modern country/ covers) in Yukon, OK. Played 3 sets, they sounded great. I had to adjust my monitor mix (bring down the kick drum & my bass by about a third, vocals stayed about the same) but kept the level on my PSM 200 around 11 o'clock & body pack an noon.

A few hours later, I was using them again playing with a Church band in Edmond. My Aviom settings changed drastically. Everything was cut at least by half-

This upcoming week, I'll be at a different Church on early Friday evening (similar aviom setup, but different FOH), after that- a biker bar, with a classic rock/ top 40 band. Saturday will be a Country show at an upscale bar & then back to my "Sunday" Church.
I figure there shouldn't be much to change after this, most of the club bands around here use a Behringer X32. They'll probably store my settings, and everything will sound massively wonderful in my head.

I'm probably going to get a PreservEar unit to use with the Church bands, just to be on the safe side.
 
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A8's UPDATE:
So-o-o-o.. just returned from ~8 hrs flying with the A8's. DEFINITELY awesome sound all round, but I've concluded the ADEL's suck the bass out - compared to what I hear on my Qi's.
I could "hear" the aircraft engine noise due to the pressure equalization of the ADEL's. When I put my finger on them, some of the bass returned, but not to the level I heard on the Qi's. Took them with me to A/B BTW.
When I connect the A8's to my Android music player (Neutron), boost the low end, the bass is very good - almost too good with lots of rich lows and sub-bass being heard.
My conclusion is that even with the profile shown on the 1964 website as more bass than the Qi's, the ADEL's cut that fairly significantly and require an overall LF boost at source to compensate.. But dang!!! They DO SOUND AWESOME once that is adjusted!!

Will run them this Fri/Sat again, and run sat w/ the REV33 inline.
 
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Man, I didn't anticipate the struggle of getting impressions done. Everywhere that's close to me either doesn't do them or charges anywhere from $85 to $150 per ear!

After much searching and calling around, I found a place that does them $50 for both but it's an hour away from me.

My wife even works at a hospital and I still don't have a hook up! Ha.
 
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Man, I didn't anticipate the struggle of getting impressions done. Everywhere that's close to me either doesn't do them or charges anywhere from $85 to $150 per ear!

After much searching and calling around, I found a place that does them $50 for both but it's an hour away from me.

My wife even works at a hospital and I still don't have a hook up! Ha.
Ouch, that is exorbitant... I got mine done for $25 per ear, but I do live in a metro area...
 
I'm in NYC, so $100 for both at the 1964 recommended guy.

I'm getting mine done today for $35 total (at a 64 Audio recommended audiologist). I asked Alex at 64 Audio about this and he said the recommended audiologists on the 64 Audio webpage are on the list for having previously sent in acceptable impressions... so really nothing out of the ordinary. I would just print the "Audiologist Impression Guide" from 64 Audio and take to any reputable audiologist near you.
 
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A8 UPDATE:
S-o-o-o.. one lives and learns (hopefully).

I ran the A8's all Friday night.. same issues as before.. bass started to disappear toward the end of the night, with LF overtones, harmonics and some mud creeping in - I'm assuming from the PA/stage ambience coming back thru the ADEL's ports. Sorta bummed.

Sat night I ran with the REV33 inline and we had a pro sound guy come mix us - which he has done 2 times before. The guy is employed by a local mega-church and from what I can tell (from 20 yrs of FOH and small SR work) and listening to his mixes, he knows his stuff!!

So... as you may know from prior posts.. we [NOW] use more than 16 inputs on our X32 Producer, so my ability to layer a "separate IEM console" on channels 17-32 is no longer there and I get the FOH channels fed to my IEM mix.
NOTE: I play bass in this band, I do not mess with FOH or console settings as that is the BL's domain. You get my drift?

So the sound guy tightened up the bass, layering in the kick, removing the mud - among many other things, putting appropriate effects and vox eq (harmonies sounded monstrous!!) tweaking guitars, drums and pedal steel and made it ALL sound great.

After adjusting IEM mix levels (via android app) to compensate for the changes, my IEM mix all night was STELLAR!
Defined, clear, punchy bass and clicking kick all night. Any errant artifacts that may have remained were cleaned up by the REV33.
In summary - best darn IEM mix ever.. the A8's let me hear everything, including sub-bass with definition clarity and space..

I think the A8's and the REV33 are gonna knock it out of the park!!
 
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So do you feel like the Qi's were better suited to having a mix less dependent on a competent sound man, whereas to get all of the good out of the A8's you need to tweak it a bit more? I'm not implying a better/worse comparison, though from your reviews I come away with the thought that the Adel's require some extra effort to get the "right" sound (right being totally subjective, of course).
 
So do you feel like the Qi's were better suited to having a mix less dependent on a competent sound man, whereas to get all of the good out of the A8's you need to tweak it a bit more? I'm not implying a better/worse comparison, though from your reviews I come away with the thought that the Adel's require some extra effort to get the "right" sound (right being totally subjective, of course).
Honestly?? idk, tho' I'm sure the sound guy made a difference to the bass feed I monitored last night.
I did exclusively use the Qi's for close to 2.5 yrs.. so I'm VERY USED to them and what I can get/expect from them.

I think my whole quandry is over the difference the ADEL's make to the LIVE stage mix.. they are more open and less-isolating than the Qi's, and I can hear more ambient noise - aircraft engine noise on the plane, FOH stacks, cymbals, etc. If I put my finger over the ADEL's [and negate their effect] then they sound more like the Qi's I'm used to. It's the overall blend I'm adjusting to.
The A8's sound AWESOME on canned music, I think I need time to adjust to the differences between them and the "closed ear" bass I got with the Qi's.