s0c9
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Let us know how you like the A12's - I went with the A8's for playing bass, based on 1964's recommendation.
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I made them buy universal IEM's at least, but they usually pull one out at some point.
s0c9
Supporting Member
That is NOT a good thing to be doing.. as one turns up the remaining IEM to balance out the external sound level in the other ear... it damages one's hearing.. If they have to remove one, remove BOTH! It will save their ears.
CrashClint
I Play Bass therefore I Am
That was a really generous for the drummer to front part of the cost, I would have jumped on that offer.
One of the guitarist I occasionally work with complained about the isolation so we added and mixed a SM57 for ambient noise and now he is happy.
One of the guitarist I occasionally work with complained about the isolation so we added and mixed a SM57 for ambient noise and now he is happy.
I've said as much every time I see it happen.
He didn't offer to front part of the cost, but he and I agreed that we would be willing to let some of the band money be used to help them pay part of the cost. We would have, of course receive some portion of pay back towards our own in ear monitors, which we purchased with our own money already.
Just received my new 64 Audio A12s. Not a professional reviewer, just some observations. I am coming from 1964 Qis. I do notice a better fit than my Qis, I also notice a better separation of instruments. I was very happy with the Qis, so I wouldn't say a huge difference. Bass seems more snappy and defined. I can really pick out the kick. I see the ADEL making a nice difference with fatigue. I am very happy with fit and finish. The graphics, colors, and font all came out very nice. I went with clear shells, trans white covers. Silver font on left side, red font on right. Overall I am pleased. I feel the A12s have the perfect amount of bass, plus a nice extra high end that the Qis didn't have. Definitely lower listening volumes.
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For those who are choosing between 48" and 64" cables, this illustrates a reason to get the 64". It just fits when routed down the back of my shirt.
s0c9
Supporting Member
A8 UPDATE:
Used my A8's at their first gig last night. Took my Qi's with me (backup) and REMOVED the REV33 device for the Qi's that was attached to my IEM receiver. So console -> IEM Recevier -> A8's
The mix I had set up for my Qi's mix sounded VERY different in the A8's, and I had to adjust quite a bit (not sure I have it right yet, but will tweak some more tonight). It's tough to find the correct words to explain the differences between the 2, but the A8's had a larger sound stage and was more spatial/distant? Remember that I have been using the Qi's for over 2 YEARS and am very comfortable with their signature and familiar with what they sound like.
The STEREO IEM mix was much better in the A8's, the panned guitars being more "present" than on the Qi's and far easier to distinguish.
The Qi's were much more in-your-face/flatter than the A8's.
A8's bass was MUCH BETTER with the ADEL's than I was led to expect from head-fi reviews. Very balanced, with sub-bass being much easier to hear. The tonal differences between playing strings at neck vs bridge (with no changes to tone controls on bass) was more accentuated and obvious. The rest of the spectrum was also VERY clear.
Even with the auto ADEL's I had turn down the kick and my own bass channel.
Because the A8's are so clear, the FOH sound I was monitoring allowed me to hear all the annoying artifacts one gets from live audio.
I ordered the REV33 device for the A8's and will probably get it in time to try Friday night - and see if it cleans up the mix.
So far, so good.
Used my A8's at their first gig last night. Took my Qi's with me (backup) and REMOVED the REV33 device for the Qi's that was attached to my IEM receiver. So console -> IEM Recevier -> A8's
The mix I had set up for my Qi's mix sounded VERY different in the A8's, and I had to adjust quite a bit (not sure I have it right yet, but will tweak some more tonight). It's tough to find the correct words to explain the differences between the 2, but the A8's had a larger sound stage and was more spatial/distant? Remember that I have been using the Qi's for over 2 YEARS and am very comfortable with their signature and familiar with what they sound like.
The STEREO IEM mix was much better in the A8's, the panned guitars being more "present" than on the Qi's and far easier to distinguish.
The Qi's were much more in-your-face/flatter than the A8's.
A8's bass was MUCH BETTER with the ADEL's than I was led to expect from head-fi reviews. Very balanced, with sub-bass being much easier to hear. The tonal differences between playing strings at neck vs bridge (with no changes to tone controls on bass) was more accentuated and obvious. The rest of the spectrum was also VERY clear.
Even with the auto ADEL's I had turn down the kick and my own bass channel.
Because the A8's are so clear, the FOH sound I was monitoring allowed me to hear all the annoying artifacts one gets from live audio.
I ordered the REV33 device for the A8's and will probably get it in time to try Friday night - and see if it cleans up the mix.
So far, so good.
s0c9
Supporting Member
UPDATE #2:
After another 7 hours of use on my new A8's - I'm undecided about them.
For CD listening - in the audiophile dept - absolutely stellar experience. Everything well balanced. +1000%
For live monitoring (my primary use) the clarity, sound stage, separation and definition is also excellent.
But as a bass player, I'm NOT getting the bass response I had expected from them.
I ran them Wed/Thurs on their own, then all night Fri with the REV33 (ProYellow) hooked up.
I felt like I had to boost the bass to get what I had been hearing in my Qi's.
It's important to note that I (we) monitor the FOH channels (not a separate mix) in our IEM's, so while I have EQ capability on both the IEM output busses (X32 Producer) AND on our G3 receiver pak's - I have not gone down that path - and I CAN'T EQ the bass channel to suit my ears.
As a control test, I ran the entire Sat night WITHOUT the REV33 and I arrived at the same conclusion as I had Fri night.
Both nights, low volume and NO EAR FATIGUE.
So where's the difference..???
Based on my CD listening, I doubt it's the A8's. I'm hoping it's the ADEL's "effect". There's TWICE the number of LF drivers in the A8 vs the Qi's so the bass response (per EQ signature on the 1964 web site) SHOULD be more pronounced than the Qi's. And as @Geri O can attest, the amount of stupid/silly bass the Qi's can produce is ridiculous.
There was definitely LESS BASS in my ears on both nights. I could hear/feel the bass from the SIX dual 18's under the stage and maybe that was overriding what was in my ears? Again, unclear as to root cause.
It might be a simple EQ fix on the IEM feed.. ???
I would be VERY interested in reading any feedback/experiences from other A8 users.
I have 2 more [4-hr] gigs Fri/Sat next week (different venues- the 2nd with a sub drummer) followed by 7 hours of airplane travel the following week. I should have a better feel for the A8's/ADEL's by then... and I will probably call 1964 to get their opinion.
Nothing scientific about any of this, simply posting my thoughts on how to get the best response for me...
After another 7 hours of use on my new A8's - I'm undecided about them.
For CD listening - in the audiophile dept - absolutely stellar experience. Everything well balanced. +1000%
For live monitoring (my primary use) the clarity, sound stage, separation and definition is also excellent.
But as a bass player, I'm NOT getting the bass response I had expected from them.
I ran them Wed/Thurs on their own, then all night Fri with the REV33 (ProYellow) hooked up.
I felt like I had to boost the bass to get what I had been hearing in my Qi's.
It's important to note that I (we) monitor the FOH channels (not a separate mix) in our IEM's, so while I have EQ capability on both the IEM output busses (X32 Producer) AND on our G3 receiver pak's - I have not gone down that path - and I CAN'T EQ the bass channel to suit my ears.
As a control test, I ran the entire Sat night WITHOUT the REV33 and I arrived at the same conclusion as I had Fri night.
Both nights, low volume and NO EAR FATIGUE.
So where's the difference..???
Based on my CD listening, I doubt it's the A8's. I'm hoping it's the ADEL's "effect". There's TWICE the number of LF drivers in the A8 vs the Qi's so the bass response (per EQ signature on the 1964 web site) SHOULD be more pronounced than the Qi's. And as @Geri O can attest, the amount of stupid/silly bass the Qi's can produce is ridiculous.
There was definitely LESS BASS in my ears on both nights. I could hear/feel the bass from the SIX dual 18's under the stage and maybe that was overriding what was in my ears? Again, unclear as to root cause.
It might be a simple EQ fix on the IEM feed.. ???
I would be VERY interested in reading any feedback/experiences from other A8 users.
I have 2 more [4-hr] gigs Fri/Sat next week (different venues- the 2nd with a sub drummer) followed by 7 hours of airplane travel the following week. I should have a better feel for the A8's/ADEL's by then... and I will probably call 1964 to get their opinion.
Nothing scientific about any of this, simply posting my thoughts on how to get the best response for me...
Just a little heads up-- for the rest of April, use the code FOH15% at check out, and receive 15% off any new A or U series order!
Sweet. Thanks for the promo code!
I just found this thread today, I was set on getting the A8's but based on the review above I'm rethinking my options.
I currently have some older, universal fit quad driver UE IEMs, but this time I want to go the custom molded route. I've heard great things about 64 Audio IEMs, but don't know enough to decide on the older V6S, V8, or the current Adele A4 or A8 options.
I just found this thread today, I was set on getting the A8's but based on the review above I'm rethinking my options.
I currently have some older, universal fit quad driver UE IEMs, but this time I want to go the custom molded route. I've heard great things about 64 Audio IEMs, but don't know enough to decide on the older V6S, V8, or the current Adele A4 or A8 options.
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So won as much research as I have done I didn't think to search TB to see who else may have the info I need.
I am coming from Shure 315's which are supplied by the church. We used to have a live stage that had subs underneath which took care of any bass needs. Now we moved into a new room and the back line is now solid concrete and the subs aren't nearby anymore.
Mostly everyone in my church that's serious has a set of UE's, we apparently have a standing 20% discount. When comparing costs, 64 ears comes way cheaper with more drivers, boreS, ADEL, etc. The only losing area is turnaround time at 3 weeks vs UE's 1.
So my question is, anyone here have used the A4's? As much as I'd like to get the A8's or better, my budget is already far exceeded with the A4's and I'll be saving for a while.
I am just assuming (and from what I've been told) pretty much any custom mold in ear is going to be leaps and bounds better than the universal fit ears I'm used to.
Thanks for any input!
I am coming from Shure 315's which are supplied by the church. We used to have a live stage that had subs underneath which took care of any bass needs. Now we moved into a new room and the back line is now solid concrete and the subs aren't nearby anymore.
Mostly everyone in my church that's serious has a set of UE's, we apparently have a standing 20% discount. When comparing costs, 64 ears comes way cheaper with more drivers, boreS, ADEL, etc. The only losing area is turnaround time at 3 weeks vs UE's 1.
So my question is, anyone here have used the A4's? As much as I'd like to get the A8's or better, my budget is already far exceeded with the A4's and I'll be saving for a while.
I am just assuming (and from what I've been told) pretty much any custom mold in ear is going to be leaps and bounds better than the universal fit ears I'm used to.
Thanks for any input!
s0c9
Supporting Member
The A8's are awesome.... please don't base your purchase decision on my "review". The review is subjective and specific to my situation and I have about < 12hrs use of live audio on them over 4 nights.. not really enough IME.
FWIW - I received an email from 1964 today - stating that the remaining V-series are being discontinued at the end of April 2016, because of sales drop off and the demand for the A-series.
I don't believe my "issues" with the A8's are the fault of the A8's - but more user education. I have over 400 hrs use on my Qi's in 2015 gigs alone (not counting flights and church use) and have had them for 2.5 yrs.. so I'm VERY familiar with their sound signature. The A8's are simply "different" and I'm working on learning what works for me as I've never had a set of ADEL's before.
There's an ADEL thread over at headfi.org - lots of good audiophile commentary over there..
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If you have any concerns, call Alex @ 1964 for some advice!
I just completed two 8hr transatlantic flights and I had my 64's in for the entire duration each time - zero fatigue. There were times Ineven forgot they were in!
A few tips. 1) Carry a 3.5mm inline volume control patch cable for use with the airplane entertainment system. Our IEM's are incredibly efficient, and on my 1st flight I had the volume on its lowest setting and it was still a little loud. Also, when they do a PSA To the plane ("Good morning, and thank you for flying...")the audio volume is not controlled by your entertainment unit: being able to turn that down with an inline volume unit will prevent you from having to rip your monitors out. 2) Get the 64" cable! On my return flight it was a newer plane and the audio jack was on the headrest if he seat in front of me, not the armrest beside me. I had to run the cable down the front of my shirt, rather than the back, but it reached nicely.
A few tips. 1) Carry a 3.5mm inline volume control patch cable for use with the airplane entertainment system. Our IEM's are incredibly efficient, and on my 1st flight I had the volume on its lowest setting and it was still a little loud. Also, when they do a PSA To the plane ("Good morning, and thank you for flying...")the audio volume is not controlled by your entertainment unit: being able to turn that down with an inline volume unit will prevent you from having to rip your monitors out. 2) Get the 64" cable! On my return flight it was a newer plane and the audio jack was on the headrest if he seat in front of me, not the armrest beside me. I had to run the cable down the front of my shirt, rather than the back, but it reached nicely.
This. I travel international mostly and damn if the PSA isn't turned up to 11 when the volume is on 1. Didn't know the inline volume patches could be used to help out.
I get my upgraded Qi-to-A4's in the next week likely as they are ready for buffing, so I can review next week, but I think @adamaarts will be happy with the A4's. The A3's are great for listening, but performing live, I missed the extra bass punch and had to turn up my headphone amp more than I had to with the Qi's. I'm looking forward to getting the A4's and seeing how they fare, but I'm sure I will be happy with them, even if they require a slight adjustment to my current volume/mix setup.
s0c9
Supporting Member
GREAT feedback.. and something I've experienced often with my Qi's. I have an in-line vol control and keep forgetting to take it with me, 'cus yes.. even at the lowest vol level on the armrest - it's almost too loud. The next click up IS too loud, and the PSA will take your head off!
I haven't really experienced issues connecting with a 48" cable tho'...
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Thanks! Looking forward to your thoughts, seems the A4 is not popular at all as there aren't many specific reviews for it. I almost don't know if I should get the A3's instead for a more balanced sound, or A4's for the bass.
